[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:48:49 AM EDT] Steve Smith : Working?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:48:53 AM EDT] David Harrison : Good morning!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:48:54 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Is the chat working?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:48:54 AM EDT] Kim : I have a chat screen
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:48:54 AM EDT] David Talbott : We're here Greg
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:49:04 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I'm present
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:52:00 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Just a footnote. I
have been discussing THIS VERY SUBJECT with a lot of my friends, who are
wobbling skeptics. LLoyde Pye's recent article that discusses the EU
seems to be tilting this toward acceptance.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 09:58:07 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : here's the link to
Lloyd Pye's article: Why Science is So Wrong:
http://paranormalutopia.com/2010/09/why-science-is-so-wrong-by-lloyd-pye/
<http://paranormalutopia.com/2010/09/why-science-is-so-wrong-by-lloyd-pye/>
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:02:03 AM EDT] Atherophage : dimdim take a dump?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:02:43 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Smart people.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:01 AM EDT] Richard Jesch : Art hit refresh
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:19 AM EDT] Atherophage : yeah, that was the trick
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:30 AM EDT] Prof RR Sharma : No sound.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:47 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Nada here. Video is
frozen.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:06:11 AM EDT] Prof RR Sharma : Video frozen, no sound
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:58 AM EDT] Charles : I read thunderbolts every
day. Like Steve's articles very much.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:04:59 AM EDT] Atherophage : ok here
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:06:51 AM EDT] Atherophage : hit the curved arrows in
the corner of the video feed
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:06:51 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Best accident I ever
had, stumbling upon EU during a web search a couple years ago. Never had
much stock in notions like dark matter, black holes, and such.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:07:19 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : that did the trick
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:08:16 AM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : 2nd Vid & Sound Freeze
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:08:27 AM EDT] Paulina : The curved arrows worked for
me too, thx!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:09:13 AM EDT] Greg Volk : He's here!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:09:21 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : I'm here Steve
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:36:57 AM EDT] David Talbott : The material used in
Dr Ransom'e experiment was hematite, iron rich soil comparable to common
surface material on Mars.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:38:25 AM EDT] Dave Smith : I was told at my
presentation last night to ASTRO SA that Kangaroo Island has a layer,
just under the surface, of hematite spherules right across the island. I
wonder how they got there?...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:38:36 AM EDT] Jim Johnson : That may be the shadow
of the raised wall on the left of the hexagon
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:38:45 AM EDT] David Talbott : And keep in mind that
hexagonal scars have been created in the laboratory.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:40:05 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : The hexagonal storm at
Saturn's pole is an example of a particle beam effect on a surface.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:46:48 AM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Page 33 makes me think
of the sun.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:47:13 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I was just thinking
that.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:47:27 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Jerry you're likely
thinking along the right lines then, if you'll pardon the pun - you too
DRG...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:47:55 AM EDT] H Ricker : Here is Victoria crater?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:48:06 AM EDT] H Ricker : Where is the crater?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:48:22 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Victoria crater is on Mars
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:49:13 AM EDT] Dave Smith :
http://www.holoscience.com <http://www.holoscience.com/>- Wal's site.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:49:16 AM EDT] David Talbott : The network of
hexagonal and polygonal forms looks eerily like a negative version of
the plasma surface of the Sun. Seeing the surface from the inside of
Mars, you could not distinguish the pattern from that of the Sun's surface.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:50:46 AM EDT] Paulina : There are hexagonal cloud
formations also.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:52:21 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Correct Paulina, EU
encompases much more than just astrophysics or cosmology, but many areas
hare not yet explored to any depth.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 10:53:25 AM EDT] Jaythree : Bear in mind that hexagonal
basalt columns are formed naturally at a specific cooling rate.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:02:35 AM EDT] Kim : Not sure hexagonal basalt
columns are related to electric arc discharge features of the same shape
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:03:38 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : @Kim, it needs to be
tested in the lab to know for sure if reproductions can be made.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:03:59 AM EDT] Kim : though I do wonder about the
raised features ringing the 'tiger stripes' on Enceladus
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:04:26 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I used to make rilles
and craters with an arc welder. There, too, the discharge is from the
surface, which melt the rod, which is what actually leaves the
"splatter", which planetary rilles obviously lack.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:04:26 AM EDT] David Talbott : Page 43. No opening
into the imagined void can be seen anywhere along the chain of imagined
collapse pits.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:04:53 AM EDT] Atherophage : You can get the same
image if you put a CD or DVD in a microwave for 2- 3 seconds
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:05:40 AM EDT] David Talbott : David Ross Goben, I'd
like to hear from you and discuss your experience with electrical rille
creation
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:06:19 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Easy. It started when
was 10 and Dad taught me to weld (he was a mechanic/welder).
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:07:28 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Did it also with a
mig welder in Sarasota when I did a short stint at an Iron Art shop when
I moved to Florida.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:08:45 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : To explain, I had to
make channels in iron plates to embed a bar. Was faster to use a welder
than a grinder.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:09:25 AM EDT] Greg Volk : David Ross, I too am
interested in these formations. Would you consider writing a paper
detailing how you do it, and what results you get?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:09:26 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Or Router.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:10:16 AM EDT] Kim : Is material that is electrically
excavated ever melted?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:10:30 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Odd, but when I was
in high school (69-73), I would look at these formations and though of
electric arc. But my schooling forced me to consider this impossible.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:11:05 AM EDT] David Talbott : Thanks for that David
Ross. More to discuss here.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:14:01 AM EDT] Russ T : Kim...I would have thought
vapourised at the high temperatures involved but with some localised
melting. Expert guidance anyone?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:15:01 AM EDT] tim : Is there a hypothesis for why
some formations are jagged while others are more straight. It would seem
that a straight line could be produced if a rotating body was exposed to
a current/other emanating from a fixed source.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:15:09 AM EDT] Dave Smith : DavidRossGoben, as I
cannot find your name on the 'participants' list at the left, would you
be so kind as to open a private chat window with me?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:16:05 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Base metal on the
negative side (the plate) vaporizes the base, sending ejecta upward.
Some melting on edges of arcs are pulled up, but do not splatter close
to the pit. The melting material from a rod or mig coil is what is
supposed to fill the rille.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:18:50 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Patagonia = Argentina?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:19:08 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : Has any arcing been
observed by astronomers? Or is it assumed these arcs only happenend in
the past?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:19:08 AM EDT] Kim : So there is no flood of melted
original material resulting?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:20:20 AM EDT] David Talbott : Some of these sharp
needle chains remind me of razorbacks, another form common to electrical
sculpting.,
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:21:03 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : me: above is Ron Pearson
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:21:59 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : To Ron: Arcing is
observed today on Io.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:22:09 AM EDT] Roger J : Patagonia = Southern tip of
South America, both Chile and Argentina.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:22:26 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : If astronomers
observed arcing, would they hide it? Global cooling of the last 12 years
has also been hidden by scientists. I guess that I am a converse
skeptic. Nice point on Io, Ron. I'm looking into it right now.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:22:30 AM EDT] Roger J : me = Roger J
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:23:21 AM EDT] David Talbott : Ron, in addition to
Jupiter's moon Io, take a look at the plumes of charged particles
erupting from Saturn's moon Enceladus.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:23:29 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Astronomers don't
recognize what they are looking at so misidentification is endemic.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:23:33 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Google
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:23:51 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Google "Arcing on Io"
has lots of results.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:23:58 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Roger & Ron etc., All of
your own comments appear to you as "me", but to everyone else by your name.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:24:02 AM EDT] Dave Smith : To all users unfamiliar
with this chat box, every time you add a post it appears as "me" to
yourself, but eveyone else sees your name.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:24:16 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Snap!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:24:27 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Firefly fan.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:24:59 AM EDT] Paulina : on arcing, Jupiter is being
bombarded right now. I wonder if the bright flashes would be considered
arcing.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:25:35 AM EDT] David Talbott : Also of interest are
the electrified, so-called "dust devils" on Mars.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:26:20 AM EDT] Jaythree : Dave S, would you comment
on the possibility that stone circles such as Stonehenge (of which there
are hundreds) were built to localize electrical discharge sites during a
period of intense auroral activity...in other wise, they are intentional
craters?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:26:34 AM EDT] Roger J : The images of the jagged
mountains look remarkably similar to the plasma machined surfaces of an
Integrated Circuit.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:27:47 AM EDT] Kim : ARE they glassified?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:28:03 AM EDT] David Talbott : Roger J, would you
know of a public image you might refer us to?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:28:33 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I wrode CAD/CAM
software for MMI that supported Plasma/Laser/Punch machines. The plasma
cuts are VERY clean. Little brush required.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:29:44 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Sorry for my spelling
and curt grammar. Thank God for word processors.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:29:45 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Mic, anyone? Request one
in the chat and I will pass you control. Thanks.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:29:48 AM EDT] scorched air : cool
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:29:49 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : J3: The Stonehenge
Aubrey holes have been identified by Anthony Peratt as identical in
number to the filament structure that would be seen in a "mega-aurora."
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:29:51 AM EDT] scorched air : really cool stuff
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:30:00 AM EDT] David Talbott : And yet the rovers'
solar panels have been "miraculously" cleaned. Electrostatic cleaning
seems to be unknown to NASA scientists.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:30:09 AM EDT] scorched air : thank you for this
incredible exciting opportunity
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:30:17 AM EDT] Roger J : I'll have to look at work.
15 years ago I was an IC Process Engineer. Many such images are
available in the journals: Electrochemical Society, IEEE Trans on
Electron Devices, Solid State Technology and many others.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:30:28 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : Greg: I am a bit worried
that three times the sound cut out and the view of the speaker frose. I
have to log out and then re-load each time to recover sound and motion
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:30:30 AM EDT] Dowdye : You know there is loads of
evidence that the structure of the visible universe is owed to electric
charges (electro-static forces) 10^35 times greater than gravitation.
The Electric Universe Steve is talking about makes a LOT of SENSE...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:05 AM EDT] Jaythree : Thanks Wal!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:53 AM EDT] Atherophage : Yeah for Keynote!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:12 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Ron, the system is good,
but not perfect.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:56 AM EDT] Michael Andrescavage : from the little
time i viewed - quite interesting
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:57 AM EDT] Hank Mottl : Well worth my time,..thanks.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:27 AM EDT] Atherophage : Ron: a faster way might
be to just hit the curved arrows upper right of the video feed.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:31 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : THANK YOU!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:31 AM EDT] Atherophage : Awesome
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:32 AM EDT] Jim : excellent presentation. Thank you!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:37 AM EDT] David Harrison : Nicely done, Steve!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:40 AM EDT] tim : Do the straight line formations
tend to be less deep than the jagged ones.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:40 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Well done and very
informative Steve!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:49 AM EDT] Russ T : clap clap clap clap clap
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:52 AM EDT] Jaythree : Brilliant, Dave!!!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:31:53 AM EDT] Thomas Findlay : Thanks very much
Steve :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:10 AM EDT] David Talbott : Can you hear us
clapping s
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:12 AM EDT] scorched air : Wal and all the others
you are PIONEERS and I want to express my gratitude for you work. you
wont believe me how I stumbled across you guys :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:13 AM EDT] Paulina : applause applause!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:13 AM EDT] Hank Mottl : Imagine fulgurites the
size of mountains....
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:13 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : Very interesting! Thanks.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:17 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Well done Steve!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:31 AM EDT] Jaythree : I meant, Brilliant Steve!!!
Sorry.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:32:38 AM EDT] Jamahl : I like a mick
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:33:21 AM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Thank You. You (and
this nice presentation system) make it look easy.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:33:31 AM EDT] David Kuhness : Thank you very much
for the interesting presentation!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:33:41 AM EDT] fred Patrick(Telluric) : kGreat
presentation, thanks!!!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:33:52 AM EDT] scorched air : what can I say, teh
wonders of the Digital Age
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:33:59 AM EDT] scorched air : or whatever you like to
call it
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:34:08 AM EDT] Prof RR Sharma : Brilliant presen tation
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:34:16 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I would love to show
this presentation to the "Baloney Group", a group that discusses all
fields of science, from Quantum Physics to Molecular Biology. They are
mildly interested, but this presentation presented some very
poinient...points.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:34:44 AM EDT] Jim Johnson : Outstanding work, Steve!
Brilliant imagery.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:02 AM EDT] David Talbott : I think we've lost Steve.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:12 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Steve, are you there?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:13 AM EDT] Steve Smith : I can't hear you Greg
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:36:13 AM EDT] Atherophage : or just lost Steve's
video feed
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:19 AM EDT] Steve Smith : I'm here
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:22 AM EDT] fred Patrick(Telluric) : I have been
reading Cardona's books and your website as well as this presentation do
wonders to understand how this all fits together.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:25 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : I hear Greg fine.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:32 AM EDT] Kim : three mikes on might be too many?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:37 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Steve, you need to
refresh your browser...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:35:57 AM EDT] scorched air : one thing amazes me,
though. steve you are a martial artists, how come you´re on to the
electric universe stuff
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:36:45 AM EDT] scorched air : back in black
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:36:53 AM EDT] Dowdye : I suggest you broadcast the
DimDim program on TWO websites symultaneous to FREE UP bandwidth.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:37:09 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Scorched air, Steve was
into EU long before he started his martial arts...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:37:24 AM EDT] scorched air : cool thing, thank you
dave for answering
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:12 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : How old does this theory
suggest the visible universe is?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:38:50 AM EDT] scorched air : I actually thought
about qigong and how that whole thing with qigong actually fits with the
electric universe thing so I figure if you are in to taiji quan that
sort of fits
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:38:54 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : Has anybody any idea
where the EMF comes from that has to exist if arcs are to form?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:02 AM EDT] Jim Johnson : I'm out. 'bye, guys.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:06 AM EDT] Dave Smith : The Tunguska event
springs to mind...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:09 AM EDT] Jaythree : Will this presentation be
either downloadable or accessible from an archive (I hope!)?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:30 AM EDT] Jamahl : Is the EU a scientific
program or idealogoy?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:52 AM EDT] Kim : I'd really like to understand
better what happens to the excavated material. Is it turned to melt?
Because mostly what I think I see being laid down following the
excavation process is dust. Can anyone clear this up for me?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:39:53 AM EDT] scorched air : jeff as far as I know
and ive read thornhills articles, all of them, there is no definitive
answer
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:40:20 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : YAY!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:40:28 AM EDT] Dowdye : Evidence show that electric
and/or magnetic forces control the STRUCTURE of the universe, 10^35
greater forces.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:41:04 AM EDT] scorched air : yep, arrogance from
their sides
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:41:17 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : But there was a timeline
proposed that these things happened a long time ago.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:41:51 AM EDT] scorched air : lol that´s ovious, it´s
a worldview in many ways
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:41:57 AM EDT] Jamahl : Try a mic again
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:42:38 AM EDT] Kim : its that third mike problem
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:42:45 AM EDT] scorched air : JEFF really is there a
timeline? actually never heard about that
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:10 AM EDT] Atherophage :
http://gallery.me.com/sflaig#100009
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:23 AM EDT] Atherophage : I've posted the
individual sides here
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:28 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Steve can you refresh
again please?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:29 AM EDT] Greg Volk : Steve, can you please
refresh?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:31 AM EDT] Steve Smith : Can anyone hear me
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:43:37 AM EDT] Greg Volk : No'
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:44:06 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : Perhaps I misunderstood,
but I thought Steve suggested just moments ago that the plasmic events
that created these fissures and craters happened a long time ago and
that there is nothing occuring that we know of occuring today.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:44:27 AM EDT] David Jackson : What could be the
electrical source for this planetary scarring ???
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:02 AM EDT] Jamahl : An Idealogoy does not embrace
new ideas scientific programs do
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:16 AM EDT] scorched air : well as far as I
understood there is nevertheless not possible explanation as to WHEN
galaxies where formed.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:45 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : Very well, thanks.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:49 AM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Thanks for the link,
Atherophage.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:54 AM EDT] Atherophage : David Jackson -> a good
overview for you would be maverickscience.com/
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:45:56 AM EDT] Kim : Hm, interesting, thanks.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:46:00 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Though there's nothing of
the scale we're talking of today, Io has a discharge plume now which is
often referred to as a 'volcano', though it's moved across the surface
many miles since it was first observed...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:46:02 AM EDT] scorched air : the idea is, our solar
system was much more active in the past that´s all is it
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:46:51 AM EDT] Kim : So the temps are relatively cool?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:00 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : Unless a source of EMF
can be identified the electric universe theory is missing an essential
ingredient.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:01 AM EDT] scorched air : hah a classic ^^ moving
volcanoes, a geologists nightmare
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:20 AM EDT] Jamahl : Does the EU have an example
of a real time Electrically based formation on Earth or on other
planets. We saw Jupiter get hit by metors.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:35 AM EDT] scorched air : jamahl, "hit"?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:35 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : So what could be the
source of EMF?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:47:58 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Jamahl, look at the
'volcano' on Io
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:48:30 AM EDT] Kim : Thats due to the extraordinary
gas content of lahars though.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:48:44 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : I think the volumes of
photographic evidence of this theory are the strongest. Very well observed!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:49:01 AM EDT] Jamahl : The universe is too complex
to embace any one idealogoy.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:49:16 AM EDT] scorched air : thought as much. it was
the photographic evidence that interested me#
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:49:16 AM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Jamahl, Google the
Richat Structure.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:49:59 AM EDT] Rob DeMelo : I agree with Jamahl
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:50:01 AM EDT] scorched air : believing is seing,
right? xD
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:50:50 AM EDT] Jamahl : Mainstream science is an
ideology that is why they destroy anyone who has a difference of opinion.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:51:43 AM EDT] Jamahl : yes
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:51:51 AM EDT] Atherophage : like that thing which
hit the shiuttle
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:51:56 AM EDT] Atherophage : shuttle
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:00 AM EDT] Jamahl : Maybe crop circles
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:01 AM EDT] scorched air : shuttle???
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:04 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : The event in Siberia.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:15 AM EDT] H Ricker : Could you discuss what
experiments have been done by mainstream to simulate the observed
features. In which case thier argument has no experimental basis.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:15 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : The Tunguska event is
an example of a recent discharge between the Earth and an incoming object.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:20 AM EDT] scorched air : what shutlle, athero
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:27 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : Tesla thought it was due
to his "death ray"
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:32 AM EDT] kc0itf : columbia
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:40 AM EDT] Atherophage : the one destroyed on
reentry a few yrs back
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:43 AM EDT] scorched air : well read wal´s article
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:47 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Before we got onto the
shuttle, please take a look at http://www.columbiadisaster.info
<http://www.columbiadisaster.info/>
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:57 AM EDT] scorched air : something like
"columbia downed by megalightning"
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:52:58 AM EDT] Dowdye : Yes I was going to mention
Siberia. They don't know to this day what hit Siberia.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:53:53 AM EDT] scorched air : electric discharge
"hit" the earth, that´s the idea, as far as I´ve understood, right
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:54:04 AM EDT] Kim : Dave Smith wrote a research
paper on the Columbia disaster, through the EU perspective
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:54:20 AM EDT] David Talbott : Yesterday I posted a
video clip on Martian surface mysteries:
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:54:22 AM EDT] Jamahl : Do EU disregard the infleunce
of other forces just like mainstream science disreguard the influence of
Electrical forces in the universe. What about the Strong Nuclear force?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:54:27 AM EDT] David Talbott :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOogk2LSSw
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:54:57 AM EDT] scorched air : jamahl, sigh
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:05 AM EDT] xxx : As far as plasma events, what
about HAARP?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:13 AM EDT] H Ricker : What about magnetism?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:23 AM EDT] Anna : Land areas on Earth that were
covered by so called "ice age" glacier, are still raising, 4 inches in a
decade at places. How is this connected to planetary scarring? The
fastest raising area in Europe is the round bottom (northern end) of the
Baltic Sea. It resembles the Hudson Bay in Canada.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:25 AM EDT] scorched air : magnetism is caused by
electricity
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:31 AM EDT] Dave Smith : Jamahl EU does not
disregard other forces, we acknowledge gravity and the other forces, we
just also acknowledge that electrical forces come into play.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:35 AM EDT] scorched air : that´s why it´s called
electromagnetism.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:51 AM EDT] Paulina : @Dave Talbott, look forward
to that and your future research.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:55:58 AM EDT] Jamahl : There is no based the the
Russian event being caused by Electrical forces? We really don't know
what did that?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:56:00 AM EDT] jAlonzob : Hello Wal Thornhill, do you
think if two planets had made "electrical/plasma" contact, that some
sort of crater patterns could be found to be similar in both bodies,
possibly that between Mars n Venus, or better, between the Moon and
Mars, Thanks
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:56:12 AM EDT] Paulina : Hope to see more of Ross'
examples of electrical uplift.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:56:15 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Jamahl, the EU model
deals with gravity, magnetism and the strong nuclear force as being
manifestations of the electric force.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:56:59 AM EDT] H Ricker : CCraters and riles.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:01 AM EDT] scorched air : ok QUESTION: good
points dave, but what about radioactivity, I mean if a nuclear bomb
detonates, there a lot of radioactivity, righT? was there more
radioactivity in tunguska after the event?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:06 AM EDT] Jamahl : Wal Thornhill: So electric
fields is a unification of all forces. Wow!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:10 AM EDT] Rob DeMelo : growing earth theory has
an answer
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:38 AM EDT] Ron Pearson : Not true. Mountains form
due to the collision of tectonic plates
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:38 AM EDT] Jamahl : Do EU really believe all
forces come for Electric Fields?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:47 AM EDT] Jeff Cook : Ed meeds headphones and to
shut off his speakers
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:48 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Jamahl:I refereed a
paper by a Russian geologist who describes diatremes as being evidence
of discharge channels from the Earth along the track of the incoming
Tunguska bolide.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:57:52 AM EDT] kc0itf : jamahl: mainstream has no
answer for what caused many features, the purpose of science is to try
and find out! EU seems to give easy answer!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:11 AM EDT] scorched air : jamahl read wal´s
articles, he explain it quite well. "holoscience.com".
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:22 AM EDT] scorched air : its not about electric
fields but about the electric NATURE of matter
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:46 AM EDT] Jamahl : Ideaologys began and end with
one idea so new modes of investigation does not exist
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:54 AM EDT] H Ricker : My question is has
mainstream done any physical simulations of the formation of the craters
and riles and the other features.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:57 AM EDT] Kim : @scorched air: yes Tunguska
displayed evidences of radioactivity following the event.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:58:58 AM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Jamahl: See my web
item on "A Theory of Everything." www.holoscience.com
<http://www.holoscience.com/>
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:59:10 AM EDT] scorched air : indeed? kim
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 11:59:52 AM EDT] Kim : @scorched air- I can't access
the chat list private chat on the subject.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:00:06 PM EDT] Jeff Cook : Plasma is nuclear fusion,
not fission and therefore not so much radioactovity.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:00:26 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : There were C14
anomalies at Tunguska.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:00:27 PM EDT] scorched air : wow...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:00:35 PM EDT] scorched air : thank you wal I´ll look
into that
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:00:49 PM EDT] Jamahl : Can I try a mic again?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:01:10 PM EDT] Kim : radiation sickness was evident
in animals and people also
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:01:23 PM EDT] Kim : as well as DNA anomalies
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:01:38 PM EDT] scorched air : was a study conducted
or something like that
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:01:43 PM EDT] scorched air : @kim
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:02:15 PM EDT] Kim : Many studies. Drop me an email
and I'll send some to you - redshift0_0@comcast.net
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:02:19 PM EDT] Atherophage : This talk has
concentrated on the physical evidence for the electric universe. There's
an equally great amount of cultural/historical evidence.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:02:20 PM EDT] Jamahl : Gravity does not pull things
apart to my knowledge.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:02:22 PM EDT] scorched air : the question is WHAT
gravitiy is ;)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:02:53 PM EDT] scorched air : @kim right here?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:25 PM EDT] Kim : @S-air-- not sure what you mean?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:26 PM EDT] Charles : Has NASA been able to
measure the electric filed strengths between Jupiter and any of its
moons, or Saturn?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:32 PM EDT] kc0itf : jamahl, gravity is a pull, it
can pull things together and apart
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:42 PM EDT] Anna : Great event, many thanks! And
where can I buy your book??!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:44 PM EDT] scorched air : never mind. my email
is: dogsturnedreptiles@gmail.com
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:03:58 PM EDT] scorched air : sorry greg I´ll better
shut up :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:04:17 PM EDT] xxx : Is there a way to get all chat
entries for this meeting?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:04:48 PM EDT] H Ricker : OK so that makes your case
pretty strong.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:05:03 PM EDT] Dave Smith : The presentation and the
public chat will be available on the NPA site, usually within hours.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:05:16 PM EDT] Atherophage : Some books on this
subject: http://www.mikamar.biz/Default.htm
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:06:24 PM EDT] David Talbott : Zane Parker has
created well defined dendritic formations simply and directly by
electric discharge.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:06:47 PM EDT] xxx : Please indicate how to access
the NPA site. It's not www.NPA.com, <http://www.npa.com%2C/>is it?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:07:08 PM EDT] Dave Smith : http://www.worldsci.org/
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:07:23 PM EDT] jAlonzob : Talk about Jupiter ('Of the
Thunderbolt'): As of late, "flashes" of light had been seen by amateur
astronomers, regarded by mainstream media as "impact" - but no debris of
clouds were seen. Does it look like flashes of lightnings to you? Now
that Jupiter is dominant in the night sky, any other comments about this
planet, especially of its electrical attributes. One more comment, do
you think Jupiter has much to do with the Solar Cycle, since its orbital
period is similar? Thanks
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:07:49 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : I agree with Jamahl. We
have to remain open-minded to all other arguments and interpretations of
data.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:08:03 PM EDT] David Talbott : Jamahl, dissenting
views, and alternative interpretations are extremely common within our
group.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:08:08 PM EDT] scorched air : electric fields are
caused by an ELECTRIC charge
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:08:27 PM EDT] kc0itf : when all you have is a
hammer, everything looks like a nail!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:08:40 PM EDT] Jeff Cook : Jamahl, fields could be
all comprised of the same thing, but manifested differently. It's not
mathematically impractical.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:08:51 PM EDT] scorched air : jamahl have you looked
at ALL the evidence from the EU perspective, first?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:09:06 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : growing earth theory
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:09:13 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : another perspective
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:09:38 PM EDT] scorched air : well growing earth does
not necessarily contradict the EU theory, which is quite a loose one anyway
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:10:03 PM EDT] scorched air : I know halton arp
actually thinks that a good idea
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:10:10 PM EDT] Charles : That's enough from Jamahl.
Let's hear more from Steve Smith.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:10:26 PM EDT] Dowdye : GOOD JOB Steve, signing off
soon.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:11:25 PM EDT] Eileen Hall : mythology backs the
electrical model too
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:11:31 PM EDT] David Talbott : Jamahl, look at
Jupiter's moon Io. The formation of mesas through discharge has been
occurring continuously. Look also at the surface of Enceladus. It's
being cut at this moment. Also, don't discount the significance of
scalable laboratory experiments.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:11:33 PM EDT] Atherophage : The EU theory, both the
physical evidence AND the cultural evidence makes a pretty good case...
which is so far a lot better than the consensus opinion.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:12:27 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I had observed an
actual meteor impact when I was 11 years old. It pummeled us with lots
of dust and small rocks. It hit less than 500 yards from my home as I
was watching the sky in Lucas, Iowa. Hence, physical alteration of
planets do occur. But electricity is obviously a much more potent force.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:13:06 PM EDT] scorched air : I think it´s important
to note what a scientist´s job is. It´s not to explain WHY things are
the way they are but rather to explain how things corelate to each other.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:13:27 PM EDT] Atherophage : You're just plain wrong,
Greg ;)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:13:31 PM EDT] Atherophage : see
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:13:36 PM EDT] Steve Smith : Thanks all of you
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:13:56 PM EDT] Jamahl : No one is one the outside in
science, the difference is funding for different ideas
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:14:19 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : Once again I agree with
Jamahl
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:14:57 PM EDT] kc0itf : publicity matters too in
science...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:14:59 PM EDT] Jamahl : Your on the inside if people
believe in your idea enough to fund it
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:15:05 PM EDT] bb : Thanks Guys! Great Job! Looking
forward to next time!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:15:08 PM EDT] Paulina : Steve, could the
plasmaspheres of the planets modulate solar activity by blocking some of
the incoming electrons? :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:15:16 PM EDT] David Harrison : I have to leave now.
Thanks for the presentation! Lets do it again soon!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:15:25 PM EDT] H Ricker : Mic please, greg.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:15:33 PM EDT] Jamahl : Electromagnetic fields are
still active in the universe
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:16:12 PM EDT] Jamahl : Binary stars and the Sun
itself blast strong electromagnetic fields.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:16:14 PM EDT] Russ T : Growing Earth I like and it
makes me laugh when the standard model physicists teach us that the
planets grew from an accretion disc but then in the next breath argue
that the earth is no longer growing. At a rate of only 10mm growth per
year in diameter, multiply that 10mm by 165 million years back to the
dinosaurs era and you will see that the earth has had plenty of time to
grow from then till now by the observed amount.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:16:21 PM EDT] Atherophage : The Best of
Thunderbolts.info
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:16:30 PM EDT] Kim : I'd love to see a TPOD book.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:16:53 PM EDT] Jamahl : EU is not on the outside, it
is a very large program
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:05 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : yes use your names
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:08 PM EDT] scorched air : pauline as near as I
can judge... as long as the magnetic field of the planet are not "blocked".
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:08 PM EDT] kc0itf : agree with kim: TPOD book!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:10 PM EDT] Atherophage : The EU is very much on
the outside
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:29 PM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Thanks Steve very much
for your TPODs. I've enjoyed them very much these last two years.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:31 PM EDT] kc0itf : kc0itf is amateur radio callsign
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:32 PM EDT] Atherophage : mainstream astronomers
pooh-pooh the EU folk
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:39 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Jamahl, no-one's throwing
any money at EU...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:17:45 PM EDT] Steve Smith : @Jerry Thanks
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:21 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : So far, I had
captured the entire chat. I am presently editing it together.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:23 PM EDT] Atherophage : Ath is my Tbolts forum
handle
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:24 PM EDT] Paulina : me: Steve, could the
plasmaspheres of the planets modulate solar activity by blocking some of
the incoming electrons? :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:25 PM EDT] Charles : About measurements of the
electric fileds between Jupiter and moons ?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:30 PM EDT] scorched air : its really a mess, greg.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:36 PM EDT] Jamahl : Dave Smith: And you should
ask why?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:53 PM EDT] Steve Smith : @Paulina Yes
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:18:55 PM EDT] Paulina : me: Steve, could the
plasmaspheres of the planets modulate solar activity by blocking some of
the incoming electrons? :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:19:01 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Because we're on the
outside...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:19:02 PM EDT] Kim : That's a GREAT question, Charles.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:19:29 PM EDT] Paulina : Landschiedt
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:19:29 PM EDT] Thomas Findlay : Your TPODs Steve - I
really enjoy reading them, They are easy on me and help a lot with my
understanding. Please consider compiling them into a larger publication :-)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:19:39 PM EDT] kc0itf : EU doesn't need multi-billion
dollar particle colliders though...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:20:08 PM EDT] Thomas Findlay : Oops - I should have
mentioned Mel's TPODs as well!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:20:31 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : science is science.
mainstream science is all about money.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:20:35 PM EDT] scorched air : well isn´t it the EU
model of the solar system, the sun being negatively charged relative to
the environment?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:20:38 PM EDT] Jamahl : Does anyone who still have a
career in Astronomy support the EU ideas?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:21:00 PM EDT] Kim : The TPODs have a certain amount
of dependence on links to other TPODs and links, which could be why they
don't publish them in a book. But I personally would love to see them
all just printed up and bound in one spot- links be darned
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:21:08 PM EDT] Jamahl : Everyone stands up when they
are retired.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:21:14 PM EDT] kc0itf : define "career"
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:21:21 PM EDT] Dave Smith : @Paulina, Landscheidt's
work was continued by my brother Carl Smith (who passed away a year or
so ago) and has now been taken up by Greg Sharp at
http://www.landscheidt.info <http://www.landscheidt.info/>
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:22:10 PM EDT] Paulina : Thank you Dave. I am
interested in how the alignments of the planets would block some of the
sun's electrical input.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:22:12 PM EDT] Jamahl : Kcoitf: If you have to ask
then you are retired.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:22:32 PM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : I DO have a question.
Any speculation that what we call Betalgeusse [sp?] is really a
heliosphere?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:22:41 PM EDT] Paulina : The theories may dovetail
somehow. :)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:22:55 PM EDT] scorched air : the sun must get the
positively charged particles, else it explodes???
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:23:02 PM EDT] Atherophage : Didn't Hans Alfven get
kicked out of the US for questioning the consensus theory?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:23:04 PM EDT] kc0itf : then "career" is hobby?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:23:19 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Paulina it was Carl who
originally directed me to EU so yes, they should meld pretty well.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:23:59 PM EDT] David Talbott : Not only roofs of
"collapsed lava tubes" on Mars are missing, there is a not single
instance on Mars of an opening to the "lava cave."
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:03 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Atherophage it was Halton
Arp who had to move to Germany once he dissented.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:15 PM EDT] Atherophage : yeah yeah, that guy
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:18 PM EDT] scorched air : yes max planck instute
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:24 PM EDT] Paulina : They do not have a mechanism
for the planetary effects they think they see on the sun.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:28 PM EDT] scorched air : institue
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:28 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Jerry: Betelgeuse is
an expanded anode glow. The body inside will be a normal star but under
lower electrical styress than a bright star.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:31 PM EDT] Jamahl : A hobby does not mean
unprofessional it just means you don't get paid for your research. Just
like sport: You can be an ameature or professional. One gets paid and no
does not.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:35 PM EDT] scorched air : *institute
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:24:56 PM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Thanks, Wal.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:25:02 PM EDT] kc0itf : will work for food...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:25:14 PM EDT] Kim : BUT the crater floors might be
smooth, but beneath them there is a structure of fracturing or impact
damage that is unique to complex craters, but not simple craters. The
two are different internally
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:25:58 PM EDT] scorched air : yes Jamahl and it might
interest you to actually READ wal´s nicely written articles...
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:26:06 PM EDT] Jamahl : The best experiment is
produced by the Earth. You can simulate a earthquake but it is not an
earthquake
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:26:35 PM EDT] Jamahl : Does the Earth charge you to
do an Earth quake?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:26:39 PM EDT] kc0itf : what is an earthquake jamahl?
underground lightning?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:26:45 PM EDT] David Talbott : A sad fact: the "guys
in their garages" have done more to explain Martian features than NASA's
billions.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:27:11 PM EDT] Jamahl : An Earth quake is not
underground lightening.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:27:23 PM EDT] kc0itf : how do you know?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:27:25 PM EDT] Jeff Cook : The earth does not produce
experiments.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:27:39 PM EDT] Kim : oh Jamahl you might enjoy
discussion on that subject at the tbolts forum
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:27:55 PM EDT] kc0itf : piezo-electric effect
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:28:16 PM EDT] Jamahl : Everything is not about
Electricity.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:28:38 PM EDT] kc0itf : agree, but MANY are!!!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:28:50 PM EDT] Jamahl : Even electricity is about the
electron
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:29:19 PM EDT] kc0itf : look up bill gaede on the
electron
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:29:24 PM EDT] scorched air : exactly and it´s
confusing me somewhat.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:29:32 PM EDT] David Talbott : Jamalhl, of course
everything is not about electricity. But don't discount the ability of
electrical experiments to explain what conventional theory cannot explain.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:29:33 PM EDT] Jonathan Powers : Jamahl, we know
that. We're simply trying to tell the mainstream that everything is not
about gravity.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:29:47 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : The Sun is positively
charged wrt its galactic environment.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:30:15 PM EDT] Jamahl : What I heard was that all
forces come from electric?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:30:29 PM EDT] xxx : It is unclear why the forum does
not address prominent applications of plasma-based technology. Bernard
Eastlund, a recently deceased PHD from MIT has dozens of patents
relating to using plasma for weather control and HAARP. Some of these
patents are: "Generation of Ultraviolet Light With Microwave Plasmas",
“Method and Apparatus for Creating an Artificial Electron Cyclotron
Heating Region of Plasma", "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region
in the Earth's Magnetosphere" (HAARP is based on this).
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:07 PM EDT] scorched air : jamahl "a theory of
everything" by wal might interest you, it´s an article and why don´t you
just read it. http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=gdaqg8df
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:13 PM EDT] David Talbott : Astronomer Halton Arp
is friendly to the Electric Universe, but yes, as Steve says, we know
what happened to him.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:36 PM EDT] kc0itf :
http://www.youtube.com/user/bgaede#p/u/14/ZmE11_E-rdE
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:43 PM EDT] Jonathan Powers : @Jamahl: That's not
a central tenet of EU.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:45 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : I answered that one
above.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:31:56 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Re the career question,
though many do not publically advocate for EU, we are getting a LOT of
interest from folk who work for many of the missions currently happening.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:32:17 PM EDT] Jamahl : Jonathan P: Review that chat
because it was said.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:32:32 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : topologically, standing
back, events appear to have an electric appearance, but up close
electrons alone do not explain everything and that detail is where
science consensus occurs from experiment
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:04 PM EDT] Jonathan Powers : I've read hundreds
of EU articles. I know what it's about. It was said, because it IS an
idea within EU.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:04 PM EDT] Jamahl : Is EU more conjecture than
proof?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:09 PM EDT] Jeff Cook : Excellent discussion, but
I need to sign off now. Very interested in reading more on EU. Thanks,
Steve and Greg.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:17 PM EDT] scorched air : yes and I find that
view fascinating and logical, steve.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:22 PM EDT] David Talbott : Dave Smith (above) is
correct. We get much more interest from assorted NASA and ESA folks than
people would realized from public discourse.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:33:44 PM EDT] kc0itf : mainstream is more conjecture
than proof definitely!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:06 PM EDT] scorched air : x)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:12 PM EDT] Jamahl : Can I have a mic?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:25 PM EDT] Kim : @kc that's funny. but true.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:30 PM EDT] David Talbott : Earthquakes often are
accompanied by electrical displays.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:30 PM EDT] scorched air : but animals "feel" the
electric charge building up
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:34:56 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Gotta go, it's 2.34am
here.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:03 PM EDT] scorched air : I know that wal did an
article on it, "electric earthquakes" JAMAHL pls just read some of wals
articles they might answer your questions
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:05 PM EDT] Kim : Bye Wal!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:08 PM EDT] Dave Smith : See ya Wal
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:10 PM EDT] David Talbott : Thanks for
participating Wal
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:14 PM EDT] scorched air : good night
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:27 PM EDT] Jamahl : I meant the Earth produces
real experiments with charge. You don't need funding just better
understanding.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:35:28 PM EDT] Wal Thornhill : Thanks guys.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:06 PM EDT] scorched air : I love your articles
wal (always wanted to say that)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:08 PM EDT] Jerry Sawyer : Bye. Thank you all.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:13 PM EDT] Jamahl : The best experiment are free
in nature there is no cost or charge
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:17 PM EDT] Kim : Wow Steve I'd love to hear more
on what Freund's doing lately
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:38 PM EDT] Kim : Bye Jerry
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:36:38 PM EDT] David Talbott : Yes, Jamahl, that was
my point. More is being proved without funding than is being proven with
massive funding.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:37:29 PM EDT] Kim : Exactly right, Steve. Well said!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:37:35 PM EDT] Jamahl : The univere is so complex you
must consider everything, even if you are on the outside.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:37:50 PM EDT] christo : This was one superb talk!!
Way to go!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:38:01 PM EDT] Tom Lockyer : Lots to think about,
Thanks Steve have to go!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:38:21 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Very well done Steve,
looking forward to more of these.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:38:26 PM EDT] Atherophage : Thanks again.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:38:27 PM EDT] Jamahl : Great discussion Steven!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:19 PM EDT] scorched air : like epicycles upon
epicycles
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:22 PM EDT] David Jackson : :-/
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:35 PM EDT] Russ T : ...and visible explanation.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:45 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : THANKS STEVE!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:47 PM EDT] David Jackson : good points;)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:39:48 PM EDT] Kim : Great presentation, Steve.
Thanks for doing it.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:00 PM EDT] Thierry De Mees : Thank you Steve !
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:05 PM EDT] scorched air : really??? great
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:55 PM EDT] Dave Smith : //
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:16 PM EDT] Russ T : Thanks for sparing your time
Steve.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:01 PM EDT] Thierry De Mees : Yes, Greg
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:33 PM EDT] Kim : see ya Dave!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:23 PM EDT] scorched air : every week, how ´bout
that.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:26 PM EDT] scorched air : BYE
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:27 PM EDT] scorched air : good night
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:45 PM EDT] scorched air : kim
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:50 PM EDT] scorched air : I answered teh mail
from you
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:50 PM EDT] Kim : ?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:32 PM EDT] Thomas Findlay : By Steve & Greg: very
good presentation and chat - much appreciated.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:40:54 PM EDT] Dave Smith : Gotta go, cheers!
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:41:59 PM EDT] Kim : cool, I'll go check
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:43:06 PM EDT] Greg Volk : Ron Pearson, are you there?
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:43:43 PM EDT] scorched air : that is really weird
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:43:53 PM EDT] Roger J : Thanks Steve and Greg for an
excellent presentation.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:44:05 PM EDT] Atherophage : bad feed back RON
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:44:12 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : excellent presentation
and its good to see the group growing. the npa is about challenging each
other and more importantly challenging mainstream in a united front.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:44:34 PM EDT] Atherophage : Ron, your head set might
not be connected
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:45:40 PM EDT] Rob DeMelo : later
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:47:23 PM EDT] scorched air : all right I´ll be
off... see you next week. until that, may the force be with you xD xD xD
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:47:40 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Some systems allow
speaker and headphone output. It is an option that can be controlled by
those of us with a Geek persuasion.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:48:03 PM EDT] scorched air : (the electric force,
whatever that may be)
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:57:39 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Greg, tech support is
why my hair is now so thin.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:57:45 PM EDT] Pepe : That's funny
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 12:58:10 PM EDT] kc0itf : Big Breed Theory? What's that??
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 01:00:32 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : Greg, I captured the
whole chat for the planetary scarring session. Be glad to send it up if
anyone wants it. It was most fascinating.
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 01:01:18 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I don't take chances
until I have it in hand...
[Sat 11 Sep 2010 01:02:13 PM EDT] DavidRossGoben : I was working in a
dirty old garage...