mirrored file at http://SaturnianCosmology.Org/ For complete access to all the files of this collection see http://SaturnianCosmology.org/search.php ========================================================== THOTH A Catastrophics Newsletter VOL VII, No 6 Sept 30, 2003 EDITOR: Amy Acheson PUBLISHER: Michael Armstrong LIST MANAGER: Brian Stewart CONTENTS A MATTER OF DEFINITION . . . . . . . . . . Mel Acheson GRAND CANYON REVISITED . . . . . . . . . . Amy Acheson MYSTERIOUS MARS . . . . . . . . . . . . . Wal Thornhill >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-----<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< A MATTER OF DEFINITION Mel Acheson Is plasma an ionized gas or is gas a neutralized plasma? Can we understand plasma by adding a few magnetic properties to what we already know about a gas, or is a gas a degenerate plasma that provides scarcely a clue toward understanding most plasma behavior? This is a matter of definition, but the dictionary in which we might look up the definiens has yet to be written. We can anticipate a possible answer from a similar matter of definition that was resolved a couple of centuries ago: Is a substance defined by its composition or by its development? A century before John Dalton resurrected the atomic theory first proposed by ancient Greek philosophers, Isaac Newton wrote an essay on chemistry: "All Bodies have Particles which do mutually attract one another...." He went on to describe what we recognize today as nucleons aggregating into atoms, atoms aggregating into molecules, and so forth. But he concluded: "And if Gold could be brought once to ferment and putrefy, it might be turn'd into any other Body whatsoever...; as common Nourishment is turn'd into the Bodies of Animals and Vegetables." We are so imbued today with the atomic theory of matter that the idea of substance defined by development hardly makes sense. But in Newton's time, it was taken for granted that physiology underlay chemistry and that composition depended on past transformations. The accumulation of data, doubts, and speculations in the years between Newton and Dalton engendered a redefinition of substance. The truth of physiology was still true, but it came to be considered more limited in applicability than the truth of chemistry. The transformation of matter was redefined as subsidiary to the more inclusive and fundamental composition of matter. In a similar manner, the flood of surprising data in the space age has surged over the explanatory channels of gas theory. The attempts to explain filaments, jets, magnetic fields, and radiations of celestial objects with conventional theories have been idiosyncratic and reactive. A more inclusive and fundamental definiendum is needed, to which the physics of gasses will be subsidiary: Plasma. Plasma is not hot gas. Just as Newton could never understand gold by tracing its development and overlooking its composition, modern physicists can never understand plasma by plugging higher temperatures into the equations of gas kinetics and overlooking plasma's electrical foundation. Leon Rosenfeld, a coworker of Neils Bohr, commented that a theory is not "sufficiently defined without the knowledge of its domain of validity." This domain is a matter of discovering limits of truth and establishing boundaries of meaning. The domain of validity answers the question, For which data, ideas, uses, relationships, etc. is this theory true? The answer must be marked out empirically. It requires speculating, testing, probing for alternatives. The concept of domains of validity circumvents the pseudoreligious wrangling over whether a theory is True or False in some unspecified absolute sense: It allows for geocentrism being true for architecture (where the domain is such matters as whether the sun shines through bedroom windows on winter mornings); heliocentrism being true for interplanetary space travel (where the domain is such matters as how long to burn the rocket to intercept Mars in two years); and galactocentrism being true for mapping spiral arms. It allows for gas theory being true in situations where electrical forces can be ignored and for plasma cosmology being true where electrical forces must be taken into account. It requires an empirical investigation to determine the "where". Insisting a theory is somehow absolutely true "in itself" or that there can be only one 'true' theory is an extrapolation of verification to the point of sanctimony. Verification can only confirm the truth of one datum at a time in relation to one theory, proving that a theory is true where it's true. It overlooks or disparages the instances where the theory is not true, and it provides no basis for judging different theories. With verification, one can only note that a different theory is different. People often insist that verifying one theory 'proves' others wrong, but this insistence can only be maintained with a domineering dogmatism. The recognition of domains of validity can also explain the competition of theories. Kuhn noted the "incommensurability of paradigms." Fundamentally different theories have no common ground. Their terms, even where the same, have different meanings (e.g., 'plasma' as hot gas or as electrical discharge.) Their practitioners "live in different worlds." There is no metatheory, no overarching principle, with which the different theories can be compared and judged. Some postmodernists have concluded from this that all theories are equal, that there's no justification for choosing one over another. It's like comparing apples and oranges. But apples and oranges can be compared: They compete in a marketplace. The price system allows comparison of the relative values of apples and oranges to the consumers of apples and oranges. So theories compete in a kind of cultural marketplace: Incommensurable theories can sit on the same bookshelf or have URLs on the internet, and the number of times they are checked out or hit can be compared. The basis of this number will be some combination of the browsers' values regarding size of domain (how much data is or might be explained), coherence, fruitfulness, promise, interesting questions raised, etc. Definition and domain are similar. Both are mechanisms of limitation. Because larger domains are often more useful and more pleasing than smaller ones, people tend to polish generalities until they glitter. The domain of validity of geocentrism is pretty much limited to architecture. Heliocentrism has a much more extensive domain of explanation and use. And it's reasonable, in a trial and error sense, to push the explanatory power of a theory as far as it will go. That's how you come to know the boundaries of a theory's domain: when you sail over the edge of its explanatory world. So how do the two definitions of plasma compare? While we're on the way to the checkout desk, I can only say why I choose the electrical one: Conventional theories must be contrived to explain each space age datum, resulting in the present potpourri of ad hoc special cases that is a monument to the failure of generality. Browsing through the blurbs on the APOD or ESA websites discloses an unlovely view of theories drowning in data. Plasma, defined as electrical discharge phenomena, explains most of the "surprising" features of space age data directly, unitarily, coherently, and concisely. Furthermore, it explains ancient descriptions and depictions of high-energy events within the Solar system. And it promises to shed light on the geological data assembled by S. Warren Carey that suggests the Earth is or was expanding. Plus, it can go beyond the astronomical extrapolation of mathematical formulas that must be taken on faith (how can you test a black hole?): Plasma phenomena can be generated and tested in labs--jets, toruses, spiral arms, petroglyph forms, myth themes (Axis Mundi, Columns of Shu), formation of planetary systems. The lab investigation in turn reflects back on petroglyphs and myth themes to enable a diachronic sequencing and a synchronic locating of events. I say hoist the sails and let's find the edge of plasma. Mel Acheson thoth at whidbey.com ******************************************************** GRAND CANYON REVISISTED by Amy Acheson Ralph Juergens and Wal Thornhill introduced the hypothesis that Valles Marineris on Mars and the Grand Canyon on Earth are primarily electrical scars. In both canyons, water erosion (if any) is only coincidental. See Thornhill's article here: http://www.holoscience.com/views/view_mars.htm Since then, I've been reading geology books and websites about the Grand Canyon to see for myself how the electrical hypothesis compares with more traditional theories. Let's begin at the end, with conclusions taken from Appendix 1 of W. Kenneth Hamblin's _Late Cenozoic Lava Dams in the Western Grand Canyon_ (hence called LCLD): CONCLUSIONS: "1) Erosion does not take place at a constant, imperceptibly slow rate ... 2) ... stream gradients and slopes are at a state of dynamic equilibrium unless disturbed .... If no ... disturbance occurs, the Colorado River will not cut significantly deeper.... 3) The question of the age of the Grand Canyon and how long it took the Colorado River to cut the canyon is not a question of how fast the river can cut...." AMY COMMENTS: To be fair, these conclusions are taken completely out of context. I deleted the hypotheses that modern geologists use to account for the data in order to emphasize the fact that Juergens' and Thornhill's electrical scarring hypothesis also fits the data: A celestial thunderbolt would be expected to 1) carve the Grand Canyon quickly and 2) come to equilibrium quickly because 3) the age and depth of the Canyon have very little to do with the flow of the Colorado River. Now that we know the conclusions, let's scroll back to the beginning: The problems. A news story about the Grand Canyon Symposium of June 2000 stated these problems clearly: "Although the Grand Canyon is the United States' most famous geological feature, geologists do not know for certain how it was formed." Plus: "... instead of providing an answer, the June symposium actually may have expanded the controversy over the Canyon's origins ...." SEE ARTICLE HERE: http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2000/08aug/grandcanyonbeginning.html According to this article, conventional geologists are divided into two warring camps. They both agree that the Grand Canyon is young, geologically speaking. The evidence has been building since the 1930's and 1940's that the Colorado River did not flow out of the Canyon nor across the ridges and valleys of Nevada/California before 5.5 million years ago. It didn't dump into Baha California until after 4.3 million years ago at the very earliest. The first camp thinks that a proto-canyon completed most of the excavation of the Canyon first. Later, the Colorado River flowed into this pre-existing proto-canyon. The second camp says evidence for a proto-canyon is inadequate, and the whole canyon was carved quickly. One of the comments in the news story has an eyebrow-raising twist for those familiar with Juergens' and Thornhill's electrical scarring theory: A "proto-canyon" advocate expressed his objections to the "quickly carved" group in these words: "[I]f you don't have a pre-existing eastern Canyon, you have to start the Colorado River way up in the sky." He obviously felt that this possibility was so absurd that his side won the debate. But if you allow Juergens and Thornhill's hypothesis -- celestial thunderbolts carving canyons on Earth as well as on waterless moons, comets, asteroids and planets -- the accusation ceases to be so absurd. Which brings us to the middle of my story: the data. Why so much confusion? What are these studies finding? The Western Grand Canyon intersects the southern tip of a 50-mile long double string of recent volcanoes (less than 1.8 million years old.) W.K. Hamlin considers this intersection a lucky coincidence. He says (LCLD, page 5) "If the canyon had been located 10 km [6.2 miles] farther south, there would probably be no volcanic activity within the canyon at all." From an electrical scarring point of view, this placement of this string of volcanoes may not be coincidental. The volcanoes themselves may be one of the many side effects of thunderbolts uplifting the plateau and carving the lower part of the Grand Canyon. Coincidence or not, the volcanoes provide useful information about the Grand Canyon and the eroding power of the Colorado River. Many of the volcanoes erupted within the inner canyon. The lava from other volcanoes erupted onto the wider outer canyon and spilled into the inner canyon. These lavas dammed the inner canyon of the Colorado at least 13 times, beginning no earlier than 1.8 million years ago (conventional dating.) Because remnants of these lava dams reach all the way to the present floor of the inner canyon, we know that the inner canyon was approximately the same size when the first lava flows filled it as it is today. And before the next channel-filling volcano erupted, the river quickly eroded each dam to a channel approximately the same depth and width that the canyon is today. Hamlin says (LCLD, page 110): "All available information indicates that prior to the extrusions of lava into the Grand Canyon, ... the Colorado River had cut down to its present gradient and stratigraphic position. The size and shape of the canyon walls were essentially the same as those we see today." ... He concludes this paragraph with ... "Thus, it is quite clear that when the first lava dam formed the canyon was cut essentially to its present depth, and after each dam was eroded, the Colorado River returned to its former gradient (i.e., its present gradient.)" The above idea is repeated in almost every paragraph of Appendix One. The language (with author's emphasis)is so strong that I am quoting it here. Paragraph 1: "This important fact indicates that slope retreat occurred from the river channel to the original canyon profile, BUT NO MORE." Paragraph 2: "With the destruction of each dam, and the reestablishment of the river gradient to its original profile by downcutting, there was also a rapid, contemporaneous retreat of the canyon slopes back to their original profile BUT NO MORE!" Paragraph 3: "In each case, after a lava dam eroded, the basalt retreated to within a few meters of the original canyon wall. Then the process of slope retreat essentially stopped. In many places, the processes of slope retreat completely removed the basaltic flows, BUT SLOPE RETREAT DID NOT SIGNIFICANTLY ENLARGE THE CANYON AND GO BEYOND THE ORIGINAL CANYON WALLS." This mechanism of restoring equilibrium by rapid erosion of obstructions is driven by the large supply of water that builds up behind the obstruction. For this mechanism to carve the canyon in the first place, there must have been a large lake to the east of it -- or, as quoted above, "[Y]ou have to start the Colorado River way up in the sky." But the data from the lava dams only addresses the inner gorge. The Grand Canyon is really a two-part canyon -- a broad, flat- bottomed outer canyon incised by a more-curved steep-walled inner canyon in which the Colorado River flows today. What the volcanic dams tell us is that today's Colorado River is only capable of eroding the inner canyon. What carved the outer canyon? Was it there before the Colorado flowed into it? These are the questions that geologists are currently debating. The electrical scarring hypothesis has an easy answer for these question. When lightning carves a channel on Earth, it creates a broad outer channel with a narrow more sinuous inner channel. Celestial lightning does the same thing on a much grander scale. After celestial lightning uplifted the plateau and carved the basic skeleton of the Grand Canyon, the Colorado River spilled into the inner channel. This reversed the previously northern drainage of the Southwestern States, allowing them to drain, for the first time, across Nevada and California to the Gulf of Mexico. The Colorado River quickly altered the inner channel from its lightning scar profile to a water-carved canyon in equilibrium. And every time that profile was blocked by a lava dam, the river demonstrated how quickly it can return the Canyon to equilibrium. Earth's rivers make it easy to confuse a canyon eroded by water with a canyon carved by electricity. But what about similar canyons on Mars? Did Mars once have liquid water flowing on its surface to carve its canyons? Astronomers answer that question with a strong "maybe." Four spacecraft, including landers, are currently en route to Mars with the goal of learning if Mars once had water. But, like the Grand Canyon on Earth, even a "yes" to the question of whether there was once liquid water on Mars won't solve the problem of what carved the canyons of Mars. It leaves astronomers with more unanswered questions: What carved similar canyons on our own airless moon? On tiny asteroids? Or on the scorched surface of Venus? ~Amy Acheson editor of THOTH thoth at whidbey.com ******************************************************** MYSTERIOUS MARS By Wal Thornhill www.holoscience.com Copyright 2003 27 August 2003, at 9.51 am GMT, Mars was a mere 56 million kilometres from Earth, the closest it has been since 57,617 BC. [ed note: full article with photos can be found on Wal Thornhill's website: http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=3D0414prqf ] The claim that Neanderthals 60 millennia ago witnessed a Mars approach similar to what we are seeing today should be re- evaluated on two counts, one astronomical and one historical. First: the equations used by astronomers produce the numbers which tell us where the planets have been (or will be) for millions of years, provided nothing has changed. Mathematically, these equations can be trusted for only a few centuries into the past, and not at all into the future. It is only the astronomers faith in the unchanged orbits of the planets that allows them to assume that the equations will yield accurate records of where the planets were tens of thousands of years ago. Second: to solve the mysteries of Mars astronomers must first answer the following historical questions posed by Ev Cochrane in _Martian Metamorphoses: The Planet Mars in Ancient Myth and Religion_: "Earthlings have long been fascinated by the planet Mars. Well before modern science fiction speculated about advanced civilizations upon Mars and the dire threat of invasion by little green men, the red planet was regarded as a malevolent agent of war, pestilence, and apocalyptic disaster. In an attempt to appease the capricious planet-god, various ancient cultures offered it human sacrifices. What is there about this distant speck of light that could inspire such bizarre conceptions culminating in ritual murder? And how do we account for the fact that virtually identical beliefs are to be found around the globe, in the New World as well as the Old?" COCHRANE CONTINUES: "For untold millennia prior to the advent of scientific astronomy and well before there were any records which could properly be called historical, human beings recounted myths surrounding their favorite heroes and gods. Prominent themes in these sacred traditions include the Creation, the Deluge, the wars of the gods, and the dragon-combat. Despite the passage of eons and the destruction of countless cultures, such myths were committed to memory and told again and again primarily because they represented sacred knowledge regarding the history of the world. Until recently, however, such traditions have been given short shrift by scholars in general and all but ignored by mainstream science. This is most apparent, perhaps, in the modern astronomer's faith that more can be learned about the recent history of our solar system from running computer simulations than from considering what our ancestors had to say on the matter." THORNHILL COMMENTS: Precisely. The date given with computer generated accuracy for Mars' last closest approach to Earth is worthless. The computer has not been programmed with the real history of this world or that of Mars. Astronomers simply assume that the solar system is a Newtonian timepiece with no real history for billions of years. If that is wrong ? and our ancestors obsessively repeat a different story ? then the first law of computing applies to the computed date: Garbage in =3D garbage out. COCHRANE AGAIN: "..many of the greatest mythical themes reflect ancient man's obsession with the red planet. Indeed, we will attempt to show that Mars' prominence in ancient consciousness is directly attributable to the peculiar behavior of the red planet, which only recently participated in a series of spectacular cataclysms involving the Earth and various neighboring planetary bodies. If our thesis has any validity, it follows that the orthodox version of the recent history of the solar system is itself little more than a modern 'myth' and stands in dire need of revision. With implications this far-reaching, the ancient traditions surrounding the planet Mars suddenly take on new significance." THORNHILL: Science is supposed to consider all relevant data in attempting to find the truth. It is unscientific to ignore the references to Mars passed down by our ancestors worldwide, and which they considered of paramount significance. "We instinctively dismiss the idea that five or ten thousand years ago there may very well have been thinkers of the order of Kepler, Gauss or Einstein, working with the means at hand," wrote De Santillana & Von Dechend in Hamlet1s Mill. In addition, it is na=EFve to think that our infinitesimally small time window of modern scientific investigation can be extrapolated back over 60,000 years, let alone over millions or billions of years. Mars is a mystery simply because of our unscientific and na=EFve approach. In New Scientist of 23 August 2003, in an article by David L. Chandler titled "All eyes on Mars," some of the mysteries faced by experts were outlined. "..Mars is proving more enigmatic than ever at the moment. The latest images of the Martian surface taken by NASA's orbiting Mars Global Surveyor (MGS) have revealed profoundly mysterious landforms that have left geologists scratching their heads. The features include a combination of surprisingly stable dunes, canyons without craters and rapidly eroding ice caps. All point to amazingly fast processes taking place on the surface. Mars has changed considerably in the past few thousand years - in some places, even the past two years. Yet nobody knows why. Unraveling the mystery will require a radical leap in theoretical thinking, says Michael Malin, the geologist in charge of the MGS camera." No amount of theorizing based on slow evolutionary geological principles will explain how the giant canyons on Mars are so young that they have no craters in their walls. The very formation mechanism of Valles Marineris is a mystery to geologists. However, if we make use of the forensic evidence from the past, the formation of Valles Marineris was witnessed by modern humans in late prehistory. We don't need to theorize. Mars, the god of war, was memorialized as the heroic figure in a celestial battle fought with thunderbolts. Mars was struck and a visible scar remained. For the scar of Valles Marineris to be seen by the naked eye requires that Mars was about one hundred times closer to the Earth than it is on this closest approach! Unfortunately, such a radical overhaul of astronomy and geology are implied by such information that it's just not going to happen any day soon. Arthur Koestler wrote, in The Ghost in the Machine: "The revolutions in the history of science are successful escapes from blind alleys. The evolution of knowledge is continuous only during those periods of consolidation and elaboration which follow a major breakthrough. Sooner or later, however, consolidation leads to increasing rigidity, orthodoxy, and so into the dead end of overspecialization -- to the koala bear." So it is left to a few adventurous seekers after the truth to scout far ahead and to find the way out of the blind alley into which science has led us. Based on an interdisciplinary approach to the mysteries of Mars, some suggested solutions to the problems follow the excerpts from the New Scientist article. FROM NEW SCIENTIST: "On Mars today, it looks as if glaciers are receding after an ice age. At the planet's south pole, alternate layers of ice and dust are vanishing before our eyes. These long, sweeping, arm-like peninsulas were deposited as a result of past climate oscillations. According to MGS images from 1999 and 2001, they are eroding at a rate of 3 metres per year or more. The images show peninsulas of ice narrowing, and occasionally being pinched off into islands, with some islands disappearing altogether. By measuring the amount of erosion seen over two years, Malin calculates one entire layer will disappear within 20 years. "We were absolutely shocked by that," said Malin when he presented his results at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Denver, Colorado, in February. The magnitude of the changes implies an enormous amount of energy is being pumped into the ice to melt and vaporise it. And the speed of the vaporisation has helped to resolve a long-standing controversy over whether the ice is frozen water or carbon dioxide. "Calculations showed the only material that could have changed that rapidly is carbon dioxide," says Malin. It is hard to tell from above how thick each layer of ice is, but best estimates are that with every layer eroded, the thickness of the Martian atmosphere increases by 1 per cent. More questions remain. How many layers were there in the first place, before the erosion started? How many remain below? Nobody knows. But the implications for one of Mars's best-known surface features are astounding. "All the visible ice, all the carbon dioxide that we see in this 'permanent' ice cap could be eroded in less than a century," Malin says.2 COMMENT: The fact that thunderbolts were remembered by the ancients as a cause of surface scarring on Mars opens a whole new realm of rapid electrical deposition and erosion to explain surface features. It happened yesterday in geological terms so that we may expect faster adjustments today than otherwise expected. Electric discharges tend to remove matter from the cathode and transfer it to the anode. Electrical deposition from another body would explain the global layering seen on Mars. Electric discharge machining would tend to remove surface material by an etching process. That has resulted in many weird surface features. See photos on-line at: http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=3D0414prqf PHOTO CAPTION: This enigmatic landform on Mars shows the extensive layering followed by powerful electric discharge etching of the surface. On the right is an electric discharge machined surface viewed under an electron microscope. The scalability law of plasma phenomena allows a direct comparison. THORNHILL: The Earth today suffers minor electrical interaction with the solar plasma, which results in lightning at mid to lower latitudes and a diffuse auroral discharge at the poles. Another form of diffuse atmospheric electric discharge is the more energetic tornado. Mars was also depicted by the ancients as sitting within a glowing tornadic column for a period. That would explain the huge swirling erosion patterns at both of the Martian poles. It also means that the polar caps are only about 10,000 years old and probably still accommodating to Mars' "new" environment. The puzzling difference between the northern and southern hemispheres of Mars is explained simply if the north pole was the cathode in the tornadic electrical exchange. Material would then have been removed from the northern hemisphere to give the low, flat and relatively uncratered terrain found there. PHOTO CAPTION: On the left is the raised swirling terrain at the Martian north pole. At right, we see that the layers of the Martian north polar cap are divided into upper, light-toned layers and lower, darker layers. It shows the deposition process to have been discontinuous. Streamers of dark sand join a nearby "dune field" a few kilometers away. Erosion of the lower layered unit liberates sand that was long ago deposited in these layers. The upper unit, by contrast, contains almost no sand. Wind may have created the dunes or they may have been shaped by earlier spark "pitting" of the surface. Mars Photo Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems PHOTO CAPTION: For comparison, this surface has been pitted by the process of electric spark machining. NEW SCIENTIST ARTICLE: "Other features indicate a [recently] changing world, too. For example, huge fields of granular dunes preserve detailed features that show that they once marched across the landscape like sand dunes on Earth, blown by the wind. Yet these dunes are frozen in place, without a trace of motion over a two-year interval. The only plausible explanation is, again, climate change. If the atmosphere was much thicker in the recent past, its winds may have been able to push along dunes that today's winds can no longer even ruffle. Mars may have lost much of that thicker atmosphere in the past and perhaps it is now regaining it from the evaporation of its polar caps." COMMENT: It was the most catastrophic climate change imaginable involving a drastic shift of orbit as a result of the close electrical and gravitational encounters with other planets. Electrical forces in an essentially chaotic gravitational system can quickly change and stabilize planetary orbits. It renders computer orbital retro-calculations invalid. No such computation will place Mars near the Earth only 10,000 years ago! The tornadic circumpolar winds mentioned above were capable of moving heavy sand grains and forming vast fields of sand dunes around the polar caps. However, the electrical interactions were capable of stripping much of Mars1 atmosphere too. The final result was a tenuous atmosphere no longer capable of moving sand dunes. NEW SCIENTIST ARTICLE: "Perhaps the most mysterious new-found feature on Mars lies inside its version of the Grand Canyon, the huge Valles Marineris, a 2000-kilometre-long canyon near the equator. In a side canyon called Candor Chasma, the floor lies 3.5 kilometres below the surrounding plateau and the walls are spectacularly layered. But there are few impact craters on Candor Chasma's floor, implying that it is less than a million years old, as it has not had time to be bombarded by many meteorites. But if it is that young, Malin asks, "how did it get exposed from under three and a half kilometres of material?" So far, there is no answer." COMMENT: I have explained how a powerful cosmic thunderbolt tore out the canyons of Valles Marineris and the event was witnessed by humans. As for dating surfaces by crater counting, almost all of the craters on Mars are electrical. Impacts do not form such neat circular craters. Because they are electrical craters they tend to form on high points. That is why they are often seen perched on the raised rims of earlier craters (earlier possibly only by minutes) and the edges of canyons and not on the walls of existing craters and canyons. NEW SCIENTIST ARTICLE: " 'Altogether,' says Malin, 'we have maybe eight to ten landforms that indicate that what you see on Mars today, in terms of the environment, is not what formed the features we see.' That points to climate change, agrees planetary scientist Chris McKay of NASA's Ames Research Center in California, who viewed Malin's images at a Mars conference in Pasadena, California, last month. But until scientists develop a detailed hypothesis that describes the type of climate change and links it to the features observed, the images don't make sense, says McKay. 'We've reached a point of diminishing returns from orbital imaging,' he says. Malin and McKay aren't the only ones feeling puzzled. 'The problems are becoming more difficult, instead of becoming easier,' said Bruce Jakosky, a planetary scientist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, who was at the meeting in Pasadena. 'People are seeing things they just don't understand, and coming up with wild ideas to try to explain them,' he says. Many suggestions invoke glaciation, but none can explain all the enigmatic features." COMMENT: Malin is correct. The present environment of Mars did not form the features on Mars. Unfortunately, as specialists, geologists have little else to work with other than climate change to explain recent surface changes. For Koestler1s "koala bears," more orbital imaging just adds to the confusion. However, continued orbital imaging remains valuable for interdisciplinary advance scouts. They have the entire remembered experience of the human race to assist their understanding of the images. They are not limited by the myths created by modern science. They can see beyond to an interdisciplinary science created by the study of myths. We must use myths to create a new science, not science to create new myths. SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS "The most 'ancient treasure' -in Aristotle's words -- that was left to us by our predecessors of the High and Far-off Times was the idea that the gods are really stars, and that there are no others. The forces reside in the starry heavens, and all the stories, characters and adventures narrated by mythology concentrate on the active powers among the stars, who are planets." -- Giorgio Di Santillana and Hertha Von Dechend, Hamlet's Mill SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS =A9 Wal Thornhill 2003 author of The Electric Universe: A Holistic Science for the New Millennium See www.electric-universe.org ******************************************************** PLEASE VISIT THE KRONIA GROUP WEBSITE: http://www.kronia.com Subscriptions to AEON, a journal of myth and science, now with regular features on the Saturn theory and electric universe, may be ordered from this page: http://www.kronia.com/library/aeon.html Other suggested Web site URL's for more information about Catastrophics: http://www.aeonjournal.com/index.html http://www.knowledge.co.uk/sis/ http://www.flash.net/~cjransom/ http://www.knowledge.co.uk/velikovskian/ http://www.bearfabrique.org http://www.grazian-archive.com/ http://www.holoscience.com http://www.electric-cosmos.org/ http://www.electric-universe.org http://www.science-frontiers.com http://www.catastrophism.com/cdrom/index.htm http://www.dragonscience.com ----------------------------------------------- The THOTH electronic newsletter is an outgrowth of scientific and scholarly discussions in the emerging field of astral catastrophics. 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