mirrored file at http://SaturnianCosmology.Org/ 
For complete access to all the files of this collection
	see http://SaturnianCosmology.org/search.php 
==========================================================
Dinosaurs in American Indian Petroglyphs
_________________________________________________________________

Evolution, and the Redneck Watermelon Truck

The story goes that two old boys named Luke and Ray-Bob had themselves
a truck and were buying watermelons in Fla. and Ga. for $2 and
trucking them to Chicago and Detroit and selling them for $2. After
awhile, they noticed that they were not making any money; naturally
enough, they had a big business meeting and came to the conclusion
that they needed a bigger truck.

Evolutionists, of course, are using time in precisely the same manner
in which the two rednecks are using truck size, and there is no real
reason for anybody to take them any more seriously than they would
take the two rednecks.

Now, You couldn't easily prove that Luke and Ray-Bob couldn't possibly
make money buying and selling for $2 since they could always say they
merely needed the next size bigger truck. There is one thing which
would really demolish their case however: that, God forbid, would be
for somebody like Algor to get elected president and immediately
outlaw the internal combustion engine; after THAT, guaranteed, nobody
would ever make money trucking watermelons from Florida to Chicago and
selling them for what they paid for them.

Likewise, If comebody could provide a coercive case for the fact that
American Indians dealt with dinosaurs on a regular basis, then the
time-frames which evolutionists so love to use as a magic wand to
enable their doctrines would be demolished, the entire doctrine of
evolutionism, broken. Not that there is any lack of logical proofs
that no amount of time would suffice for macro-evolution but, without
those time scales, no version of evolution is even thinkable, much
less possible.
_________________________________________________________________

In this regard, evolutionists and geologists would appear to have
developed a sort of a dinosaur-in-the-livingroom problem over the last
few years. Take the case of Mishipishu, the "Water panther" for
instance.

[mishi6.jpg] 

Petroglyphs show him with the dorsal blades of the stegosaur and
Indian legends speak of him using his "great spiked tail" as a weapon.
Remarkably, the Canadian national parks which maintain these
pictographs are unaware of the notion of interpreting Mishipishu as a
stegosaur, and refer to him only as a "manatou", or water spirit.

Vine Deloria is probably the best known native American author of the
last half century or so. He is a past president of the National
Council of American Indians, and several of his books, including the
familiar "Custer Died for Your Sins", are standard university texts on
Indian affairs.

One of Vine's books, "Red Earth, White Lies", is a book about
catastrophism and about the great North American megaufauna
extinctions which occurred around 12000 years ago (using conventional
dating). In this book, Vine utterly destroys the standard "overkill"
and "blitzkrieg" hypotheses which are used to explain these die-outs.

Vine informs me that "Red Earth, White Lies" is one of several books
which arise from decades of research including conversations with
nearly every story-teller and keeper of oral traditions from Alaska
down to Central and South America. He tells me that, if there was one
thing which used to completely floor him early on in this research, it
was the extent to which most of these tribes retain oral traditions of
Indians having to deal not only with pleistocene megafauna, but with
dinosaurs as well. In "Red Earth, White Lies", he notes (pages
242-243) that:

Indians generfly speak with a precise and literal imagery. As a
rule, when trying to identify creatures of the old stories, they
say they are "like" familiar neighborhood animals, but then
carefully differentiate the perceived differences. I have found
that if the animal being described was in any way comparable to
modern animals, that similarity would be pointed out; the word
"monster" would not be used.

Only in instances where the creature bears no resemblance to
anything we know today will it be described as a monster. Since no
dinosaur shape resembles any modern animal, and since the reports
are to be given literal credibility I must suggest that we are
identifying a dinosaur. Thus, in the story of large animals at
Pomme de Terre prairie in southwestern Missouri, a variant of the
story suggests that the western animals were megafauna and the
creatures who crossed the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and
invaded the lands of the megafauna were dinosaurs. The dinosaurs
thus easily displace the familiar, perhaps Pleistocene, megafauna
and move west, where we find their remains in the Rocky Mountains
today

In numerous places in the Great Lakes are found pictographs of a
creature who has been described in the English translation as the
"water panther" This animal has a saw-toothed back and a benign,
catlike face in many of the carvings. Various deeds are attributed
to this panther, and it seems likely that the pictographs of this
creature which are frequently carved near streams and lakes are a
warning to others that a water panther inhabits that body of water.
The Sioux have a tale about such a monster in the Missouri River.
According to reports, the monster had ". . . red hair all over its
body . . . and its body was shaped like that of a buffalo. It had
one eye and in the middle of its forehead was one horn. Its
backbone was just like a cross- cut saw; it was flat and notched
like a saw or cogwheel" I suspect that the dinosaur in question
here must be a stegosaurus.
_________________________________________________________________

Then there is the case of the Brontosaur Pictograph on rough stone.

This petroglyph, in fact, first came to light with the Doheney
Expedition to Java Supai, the report of which comes not from the
National Enquirer, but from the Peabody Muscum of American Ethnology
at Harvard University.

Then there is the case of the man and brontosaur petroglyph at the
Natural Bridges National Monument in Utah:

A book on Indian rock art sold atthe park visitors center notes:

"There is a petroglyph in Natural Bridges National Monument that
bears a startling resemblance to dinosaur, specifically a
Brontosaurus, with a long tail and neck, small head and all."
(Prehistoric Indians, Barnes and Pendleton, 1995, p.201) The desert
varnish, which indicates age, is especially heavy over this
section.

Then again, there is the picture which the people at Bible.ca snapped
of Don Patten with the petroglyph of the triceroptops:

And the pterodactyle at San Rafael Swell in Black Dragon Wash, Utah:

Like I say, it's never been easy to be an evolutionist, and it's not
getting any easier. For the truth about evolutionism, check out one or
more of:

1. Michael Denton's "Evolution, a Theory in Crisis", available in
major book outlets.

2. Phillip Johnson's "Darwin on Trial", also available in major
outlets. Does evolution in its current forms meet the defining
criteria of a pseudoscience? Would any of the arguments made by
evolutionists meet the ordinary standards of validity or logic
required in an American courtroom? Who better than the distinguished
legal scholar to answer such questions.

3. Alexander Mebane's "Darwin's Creation Myth", available from:

The SourceBook Project
P.O. Box 107
Glen Arm, Md. 21057

If I had to pick one such book for most readers, this would be it.
Alexander Mebane, of the Tampa Bay Skeptics has put together a
big-picture view of everything which has come unraveled with the
theory of evolution (all versions) and presents it like a very good
executive summary with just enough technical detail to allow a
complete understanding of the issues involved.

4. Walter ReMine's "The Biotic Message", available for $44.95 from:

St. Paul Science
PO Box 19600
St. Paul, Mn 55119

The relation of population genetics to evolution is covered amongst
other topics, and the notion of "message theory" is developed as a
rational interpretation of the evidence available in the fossil
record, while evolution is shown not to be a rational interpretation.

5. Michael Behe's "Darwin's Black Box", available in major outlets,
describes the insurmountable problems which the last 50 years of
research in molecular biology have presented for evolutionism. Behe's
book makes the case that innumerable systems within the living cell
are irreducibly complex, and could not possibly or plausibly arise in
any sort of a random or haphazard manner as evolutionists insist.

6. Wendell Birds two-volume Origin of Species Revisited, Philosophical
Library of New York. Evolutionists will be quick to claim that some of
the other authors and/or the organizations publishing their works are
fundamentalists or Jesus-freaks of one stripe or other; no such claim
could conceivably be made about the Philosophical Society/Library of
New York.

7. Jonathan Wells' "Icons of Evolution", which describes the manner in
which evolutionists' bogus pet fossil interpretations remain
entrenched in textbooks long after they have been thoroughly
discredited.

And, last, but not least, check out the section on evolutionism at
Bearfabrique. Just click on the image of Chuck Darwin morphing into an
ape.