http://SaturnianCosmology.Org/ mirrored file For complete access to all the files of this collection see http://SaturnianCosmology.org/search.php ========================================================== C. Leroy Ellenberger From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia • /Find out more about navigating Wikipedia and finding information / • Jump to: navigation <#column-one>, search <#searchInput> C. Leroy Ellenberger at Fernbank Museum, Atlanta, GA, Oct 2005. C. Leroy Ellenberger at Fernbank Museum, Atlanta, GA, Oct 2005. *Charles Leroy Ellenberger* (b.1942, known as C. Leroy) is perhaps best known as a one-time advocate,^[1] <#cite_note-0> but now a prolific critic of controversial writer Immanuel Velikovsky and his works on catastrophism. He first read /Worlds in Collision / in August 1969 after discovering it while browsing in the B. Dalton's Bookstore in Crestwood, Missouri.^[2] <#cite_note-1> In 1979, he became a contributing editor (and later Senior Editor & Executive Secretary) to the Velikovsky-inspired Kronos journal,^[3] <#cite_note-2> and has contributed material to many other publications.^[4] <#cite_note-3> According to Professor of Social Theory Alfred de Grazia at New York University, "By 1983 Ellenberger was preparing to abandon much of quantavolution and found now that the story of Velikovsky was not without its shady tones, and more important, that Arctic ice cores and bristlecone pine dating technologies were directly contradicting Holocene quantavolutions . . . ; further, that Gentry's studies of the surprising 'instant' polonium halos of creation . . . were probably invalid."^[5] <#cite_note-4> Ellenberger has degrees in chemical engineering and finance & operations research (B.S., Washington Univ.; M.B.A., Univ. of Pennsylvania). He is currently a Medical Article Retrieval Specialist in St. Louis, Missouri.^[6] <#cite_note-5> Contents [hide ] * 1 Velikovskian critic <#Velikovskian_critic> * 2 Clube and Napier's model <#Clube_and_Napier.27s_model> * 3 Research assistant <#Research_assistant> * 4 Notes <#Notes> * 5 See also <#See_also> [edit ] Velikovskian critic In 1984, Ellenberger noted: " Over the past four years I have come to appreciate that, even if Velikovsky were right, there are good physical reasons why astronomers and other scientists have opposed him so tenaciously. Unfortunately, many of these reasons, often based on information developed since Velikovsky wrote his books, have never been discussed in Velikovskian forums or have never been discussed in a fully informed manner. Examples of the former include the Worzel Ash, ice cores , and plate tectonics . Examples of the latter include tree rings , ice age dynamics, geomagnetism , and cosmic electricity. " Most often, spokesmen for mainstream science such as Sagan , Asimov , Gardner , and Oberg have not expressed their criticisms using valid arguments but, rather, tend to substitute polemic , ridicule, and caricature for serious discussion. The resulting performances are riddled with errors and are received by Velikovskian partisans with diminished credibility. Their fixation on Velikovsky's text to the exclusion of later researchers in /Pensée / and KRONOS has also been a source of frustration. As a result, focus has been shifted away from substantive criticism in depth with more cogent criticisms having gotten side-tracked."^[7] <#cite_note-6> Ellenberger's most widely read criticisms of Velikovsky were two 1985 correspondences to /Nature/: "Falsifying Velikovsky" vol. 316, p. 386,^[8] <#cite_note-7> and "Velikovsky's evidence?" vol. 318, p. 204, and two 1987 letters to the editor in New York /Times/: May 15, p. 14,^[9] <#cite_note-8> and August 29, p. 14.^[10] <#cite_note-9> The second /Times/ letter was rebutted by Clark Whelton in a letter published September 29.^[11] <#cite_note-10> Although the /Times/ did not print Ellenberger's point-by-point surrebuttal to Whelton's letter,^[12] <#cite_note-11> it was distributed (a) privately by mail with the September 1, 1987 "Dear Friends" letter^[13] <#cite_note-12> and (b) to all attendees at the August 1990 "Reconsidering Velikovsky" Conference in Toronto. In 1994, Ellenberger was disinvited from a conference on Velikovsky because other participants said they would not attend if he participated.^[14] <#cite_note-13> ^[15] <#cite_note-14> This incident was instigated by the same group who in 1992 had deleted the section "Magnetism, Dynamos and Neptune"^[16] <#cite_note-15> from Ellenberger's invited memoir for /Aeon/^[17] <#cite_note-16> that explained the ignorance of Velikovsky and many of his supporters concerning the role of electromagnetism in astronomy and the origin of planetary magnetic fields. Previously, he was an invited speaker at Milton Zysman's August 1990 "Reconsidering Velikovsky" Conference at University of Toronto, identified on the program as "Velikovsky's most unrelenting critic" who was interviewed for /The Globe and Mail/^[18] <#cite_note-17> , and he was the keynote speaker at the August 1992 Canadian Society for Interdisciplinary Studies conference in Haliburton, Ontario. He is also the author of the article "Top Ten Reasons Why Velikovsky Is Wrong About /Worlds In Collision /" which he says: ".. is based on 30 years exposure to Velikovsky's ideas which includes 8 years as an insider at the Velikovsky journal /Kronos/ (1978 - 1986), confidant to Velikovsky (4/78 - 11/79), invited "Devil's Advocate" at /Aeon/ ('88 - '91)^[19] <#cite_note-18> , and 13 years as a turncoat/critic interacting with Velikovsky's defenders and/or successors at conferences, in private, and in Usenet ('94 -'96) & list-serve forums."^[20] <#cite_note-19> Of these attempts to de-program Velikovsky's supporters, Henry Bauer noted Ellenberger "has tried unceasingly but to little avail to have his former colleagues acknowledge the accumulating evidence, for example, from Greenland ice cores, that Velikovsky's claimed catastrophes did not in fact occur."^[21] <#cite_note-20> His resignation from Kronos as senior editor in December 1986 was acknowledged by Martin Gardner .^[22] <#cite_note-21> Regarding Ellenberger's defection, /Skeptic / editor Michael Shermer declared: "One major strike against Velikovsky is that Leroy Ellenberger, a one-time Velikovsky supporter, after stepping outside of the paradigm to examine the evidence in a clearer light, now completely rejects all tenets of the theory."^[23] <#cite_note-22> Sagan biographer Keay Davidson credits Ellenberger "In my experience" as "the single richest source of information on the Velikovsky controversy."^[24] <#cite_note-23> Astronomer Dennis Rawlins hails Ellenberger "the world's top anti-Velikovsky expert".^[25] <#cite_note-24> NASA astronomer David Morrison, who has monitored the Velikovsky scene since 1972, has thanked Ellenberger for helping "to look at these issues from the other side and to appreciate how poorly the scientific critics communicated with the public."^[26] <#cite_note-25> At the 1990 Toronto conference, the keynote address by British astronomer Victor Clube was titled "The Dynamics of Armageddon".^[27] <#cite_note-26> Clube and his colleague Bill Napier propose a Taurid complex model of energetic, episodic interaction between Earth and Comet Encke with its then-heavy debris streams all through the Holocene, as an astronomically feasible explanation for the origin of the sky-combat myths that motivated Velikovsky.^[28] <#cite_note-27> ^[29] <#cite_note-28> [edit ] Clube and Napier's model Ellenberger came to accept Clube and Napier's model as a scientifically valid and intellectually satisfying replacement for Velikovsky-inspired models of recent, interplanetary catastrophism. Astronomer David Morrison noted "In fact, the work of Clube and Napier attracts many people who were once impressed by Velikovsky, such as Leroy Ellenberger, at one time a member of the Velikovsky inner circle and now one of the most outspoken critics of his current followers".^[30] <#cite_note-29> Since 1990, Ellenberger has actively promoted Clube and Napier's model, now named "coherent catastrophism",^[31] <#cite_note-30> in articles for /Skeptic/,^[32] <#cite_note-31> /C&C Review/ ,^[33] <#cite_note-32> and /Catastrophism and Ancient History,/^[34] <#cite_note-33> letters to editors,^[35] <#cite_note-34> postcard mailing campaigns to Velikovskians,^[36] <#cite_note-35> and posts to Usenet discussion groups.^[37] <#cite_note-36> [edit ] Research assistant Many authors have sought Ellenberger's editorial assistance concerning Velikovsky , catastrophism , and related topics, or cited his work, including John White,^[38] <#cite_note-37> British independent researcher Peter Warlow,^[39] <#cite_note-38> professor of chemistry and science studies Henry Bauer ,^[40] <#cite_note-39> ^[41] <#cite_note-40> ^[42] <#cite_note-41> professor of political studies J.W. Grove,^[43] <#cite_note-42> professor of physics Michael Friedlander,^[44] <#cite_note-43> British ancient history scholar Peter James ,^[45] <#cite_note-44> radioastronomer Gerrit Verschuur ,^[46] <#cite_note-45> Irish palaeoecologist Mike Baillie ,^[47] <#cite_note-46> ^[48] <#cite_note-47> British biologist Trevor Palmer,^[49] <#cite_note-48> physicist and astronomer Phil Plait (a.k.a. The Bad Astronomer),^[50] <#cite_note-49> professor of philosophy Robert Todd Carroll ,^[51] <#cite_note-50> and professor of biology William Stansfield.^[52] <#cite_note-51> [edit ] Notes 1. *^ <#cite_ref-0>* /Kronos / Vol. X No. 3 (Summer 1985) p.24 "Contributors." Invited defenses of Velikovsky were published in /Zetetic Scholar/, /Biblical Archaeology Review/, /Astronomy/, and /Frontiers of Science/. 2. *^ <#cite_ref-1>* Ellenberger, C. Leroy (1979). Heretics, Dogmatists and Science's Reception of New Ideas. /Kronos / Vol. IV No. 4, pp. 60-74. 3. *^ <#cite_ref-2>* /Kronos / Vol. IV No. 4 (Summer 1979) p. /Cover iii/ "Contributors." 4. *^ <#cite_ref-3>* For example, Ellenberger has had Velikovsky-related material published in /Science Digest/, /New Leader/, /The Humanist/, /Industrial Research & Development/, /Fate/, and the SIS /Review/ , (ref: /Kronos / Vol. IV No. 4 (Summer 1979) p. /Cover iii/ "Contributors"), and articles on other subjects in /Analog/, /New Scientist/, /Penthouse/, /Science Digest/, /Fate/ and /Pursuit/ (ref: /Kronos / Vol. X No. 3 (Summer 1985) p.24 "Contributors"). In /Physics Today/ he rebutted Robert V. Gentry on polonium halos (Dec. 1984, pp. 91-2) and on absolute dating (Mar. 1986, pp. 152, 154). 5. *^ <#cite_ref-4>* Grazia, Alfred de (1984). /Cosmic Heretics/, Metron Publications, Princeton, New Jersey. ISBN 0-940268-08-06. p. 372. 6. *^ <#cite_ref-5>* "C. Leroy Ellenberger - Medical Article Retrieval Specialist." (Web site ) 7. *^ <#cite_ref-6>* /Kronos / Vol. X No. 1 (Fall 1984) "Still Facing Many Problems (Part I)," pp. 87-102: showing that the evidence from the Worzel ash, tree rings, and Greenland ice cores does not support /Worlds in Collision/. 8. *^ <#cite_ref-7>* Ellenberger, C. Leroy (1985). Falsifying Velikovsky (corresondence). /Nature/, *316* p. 386: "SIR--In his review of Henry Bauer's /Beyond Velikovsky/, Owen Gingerich observes: 'Although science cannot prove that a Velikovskian scenario is impossible, it might well prove that it did not happen'[1]. Although Gingerich selects Peter Huber's analysis of the Babylonian Venus tablets for this purpose, they simply are not decisive enough. Indeed, Rose and Vaughan's critique of Huber[2], to which Gingerich alludes, is stronger than he allows. "The best evidence proving Velikovsky's scenario did not happen is provided by Greenland's Dye 3 ice core[3]. This core is continuous and datable by counting annual layers back at least 7,200 years. Velikovsky's catastrophes /should/ have left unequivocal markers in the ice. Not only are the expected heavy dust layers absent, but volcanic acid fallout, identified with ancient eruptions in the Velikovskian time frame, is comparable in amount to that associated with single, recent eruptions[4]. This is not what would be expected if catastrophes of the magnitude described by Velikovsky had actually happened[5]. C. Leroy Ellenberger, 3929A Utah Street, St Louis, Missouri 63116, USA [1] Gingerich, O. /Nature/ 314, 692-693 (1985). [2] Rose, L.E. & Vaughan, R.C. /Kronos/ X:2, 1-12 (1985). [3] Dansgaard, W. /et al./ /Science/ 218, 1273-1277 (1982). [4] Hammer, C.U. /et al./ /Nature/ 288, 230-235 (1980). [5] Ellenberger, C.L. /Kronos/ X:1, 97-102 (1984)." 9. *^ <#cite_ref-8>* Immanuel Velikovsky 40 Years Later: Not to Be Taken Seriously 10. *^ <#cite_ref-9>* Eruption That Destroyed Thera Left Crete's Civilization Intact; Theory Also Exploded 11. *^ <#cite_ref-10>* Catastrophism Can Still Explain Earth's Changes 12. *^ <#cite_ref-11>* Whelton in Unordnung 13. *^ <#cite_ref-12>* Information on Velikovsky, posted to talk.origins 22 August 1997 14. *^ <#cite_ref-13>* Henry H. Bauer , /Science Or Pseudoscience: magnetic healing, psychic phenomena, and other heterodoxies/ (2001) University of Illinois Press, p.154, ISBN 0252026012 (Bauer's book misreports the conference year as 1992.) 15. *^ <#cite_ref-14>* Ellenberger (1997). Hysterical Velikovskians Flee Own Frankenstein-Mongoose! /DIO/, *7* (1), 30-33. http://www.dioi.org/vols/w71.pdf 16. *^ <#cite_ref-15>* "Magnetism, Dynamos and Neptune" posted to sci.skeptic and talk.origins by James J. Lippard, 25 Apr 1994, as an example of what /Aeon/ considered unacceptable: 17. *^ <#cite_ref-16>* Ellenberger, Leroy (1992). Of Lessons, Legacies & Litmus Tests: A Velikovsky Potpourri, Part 1. /Aeon/, *3* (1), 86-105. 18. *^ <#cite_ref-17>* Balsara, Nilu (1990). Earth a dangerous planet, writer warns. /The Globe and Mail/, August 20, 1990. 19. *^ <#cite_ref-18>* Letter, David Talbott to C. Leroy Ellenberger, August 31, 1988 20. *^ <#cite_ref-19>* "Top Ten Reasons Why Velikovsky Is Wrong About /Worlds In Collision/ " 21. *^ <#cite_ref-20>* Bauer, Henry H. (1996). Velikovsky, Immanuel. In Stein, Gordon (editor) (1996). /The Encyclopedia of the Paranormal,/ Prometheus Books. ISBN 1573920215 , pp. 781-788. 22. *^ <#cite_ref-21>* Gardner, Martin (1988). /The New Age: Notes of a Fringe-Watcher/, Prometheus Press. ISBN 087975432X . pp. 70-71. 23. *^ <#cite_ref-22>* Shermer, Michael (1996). Sagan, Gould, and Velikovsky (review). /Skeptic/, *4* (4), 107. 24. *^ <#cite_ref-23>* Davidson, Keay (1999). /Carl Sagan: A Life/, John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 0-471-25286-7 . p. 470. 25. *^ <#cite_ref-24>* Rawlins, Dennis (2005). Backward Boobs at the American Astronomical Society. 26. *^ <#cite_ref-25>* Morrison, David (2001). Velikovsky at Fifty: Cultures in Collision on the Fringes of Science. /Skeptic/, *9* (1), 62-76; reprinted in Shermer, Michael (editor) (2002). /The Skeptic Encyclopdia of Pseudoscience /, Santa Barbara, Calif. ISBN 1576076539 . 473-488. 27. *^ <#cite_ref-26>* Clube, S.V.M. (1988). The Dynamics of Armageddon. /Speculations of Science and Technology/, *11* (4), 255-264. 28. *^ <#cite_ref-27>* Clube, Victor & Napier, Bill (1990), /The Cosmic Winter/, Blackwell, ISBN 0631169539 29. *^ <#cite_ref-28>* In Clube's June 1982 remarks to the British S.I.S., he said "Velikovsky suspected violent events from the mythology — and invented an astronomical 'theory' to explain it all. Our quite different theory predicts violent events from the scientific evidence, and the problem is to see whether the prediction is compatible with the mythology." (Clube, Victor. "Cometary Catastrophes and the Ideas of Immanuel Velikovsky", /S.I.S. Review/ V:4, 1984, pp. 106-11). 30. *^ <#cite_ref-29>* Morrison, David (1997). Is the Sky Falling? /Skeptical Inquirer/, *21* (3), 22-28. 31. *^ <#cite_ref-30>* Asher, D.J., S.V.M. Clube, W.M. Napier and D.I. Steel (1994). Coherent Catastrophism. /Vistas in Astronomy/, *38* (1), 1-27; Abstract at 32. *^ <#cite_ref-31>* Ellenberger, Leroy (1995). An Antidote to Velikovskian Delusions. /Skeptic/, *3* (4), 49-51. Posted to talk.origins, 2 Feb. 1996: 33. *^ <#cite_ref-32>* Ellenberger, C. Leroy (1992). Celestial Hazard vs. Celestial Fantasy. /C&C Review , *XIV*, 41-4./ 34. *^ <#cite_ref-33>* Ellenberger, C. Leroy (1990). Tisserand and a Trojan to the Rescue. /Catastrophism and Ancient History/ *XII* (2), 206-18. 35. *^ <#cite_ref-34>* /The Sciences/, Jul/Aug 1991, p. 56; /Skeptic/ 1995, *4* (3), 22, /Skeptical Inquirer/, Sep/Oct 1997, pp. 60-1 , and /Discovering Archaeology/, Sep/Oct 1999, pp. 6-7. 36. *^ <#cite_ref-35>* For example: 75 "To those interested in Velikovsky" dated Oct 24, 1990; 35 "A Guide to Velikovskian Studies", Jan 1991 , 134 "Clube & Napier Update", Aug 2, 1994; 311 "Dawn Behind the Dawn", Oct 23, 1995; and 150 "The Nexus of History & Religion with Astronomy", Apr 27, 1996. 37. *^ <#cite_ref-36>* For example: "DAVID N. TALBOTT : Hoist, Clueless & 'Nihilated", talk.origins 13 Jul 1994. ; "Information on Velikovsky", sci.skeptic 14 Aug 1997; and "Worlds Still Colliding", talk.origins July 4, 2001. . 38. *^ <#cite_ref-37>* White, John (1980). /Pole Shift/, Doubleday. ISBN 0385153740 . pp. ix, xi, 131, 353. 39. *^ <#cite_ref-38>* Warlow, Peter (1982). /The Reversing Earth/, J.M. Dent & Sons. ISBN 0460044788 . p. 30. 40. *^ <#cite_ref-39>* Bauer, Henry H. (1984). /Beyond Velikovsky/, Univ. of Illinois Press. ISBN 025201104X , pp. xii, 328. 41. *^ <#cite_ref-40>* Bauer, Henry H. (1992). /Scientific Literacy and the Myth of the Scientific Method/, Univ. of Illinois Press. ISBN 0252018567 . p. ix. 42. *^ <#cite_ref-41>* Bauer, Henry H. (2001). /Science or Pseudoscience/, Univ. of Illinois Press. ISBN 0252026012 . pp. xiii, 162, 218. 43. *^ <#cite_ref-42>* Grove, J.W. (1989). /In Defence of Science/, Univ. of Toronto Press. ISBN 0802026346 , p. 201. 44. *^ <#cite_ref-43>* Friedlander, Michael W. 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