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Age of Darkness Saturn Flare - 10,000 BP Golden Age Saturn System Breakup - 5,000 BP Ancient Civilization Modern Era * As explained in the Cardona Interview thread at http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3824 Earth was initially part of the Saturn System in the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy (SDG), (??) --- 70,000 lightyears from Earth? which is wrapped around the Milky Way and the two galaxies intersect near our present location. Star and planet formation are electrical plasma events, according to EU findings. I think Cardona said the makeup of stars in the SDG is a bit different from most stars in the local Milky Way. * The Age of Darkness began probably shortly after the Saturn System formed. (??) --- formed from what, and how? Saturn may have been a lone dwarf star, or it may have been part of another system and it may have had one or more satellite planets from the outset. That's not yet known. * Saturn was knocked out of (??) --- Cardona has that specified? How would it be know? the SDG at some point and it moved from its former location toward the Sun in a manner like a comet. It flared occasionally (??) --- I love "flared", for it is so imaginative. "Flared" was originally associated with Herbig-something stars, which spit out companions, but at distances of some billions of miles. That proved to be only a bad analogy for Saturn in spitting out Earth and Mars. We are dealing here with Young-Earth types, of course. when its electrical environment changed much and it sometimes ejected satellites, possibly including Earth, Mars, Venus etc. Its larger satellites followed behind it in a line, (??) --- That's from Thornhill. It describes an object with a wake, like a boat in water; Not a planet. like the SL9 comet pieces did before they struck Jupiter in 1994. (??) --- That was a breakup. Bad simile. * Saturn Flare - The Age of Darkness lasted until Saturn arrived at the Sun's heliopause (??) --- The heliopause extends 100 AU, that is 9,300,000,000 miles. How long would it take Saturn to reach the Sun. I estimate about 7,500 years. That would certainly have been long enough. But there was no light before that? Or lots of light after that. The Sun would have looked like tiny star at a distance of 100 AU. and flared for the last time, 10,000 years ago. It possibly bounced off (??) --- Meteors do that on occasion to Earth, but not at the border of the plasmasphere, which would be the equivalent to the Sun's "heliosphere." It is done at the ionosphere. the heliopause several times before penetrating it. After the flare subsided Venus (??) --- Venus is young then, but only marginally younger than Earth in this allegoric morality play? appeared in front of Saturn from Earth's perspective and the Sun was seen for the first time. Mars was seen not long afterward and so too was the electrical plasma column between Saturn's south pole, Venus, Mars [?] and Earth's north pole. * The Golden Age lasted (??) -- Started when? 10,000 years ago? until the Saturn System broke up, when Saturn reached the asteroid belt during Saturn's slow inward spiral toward the Sun. (??) --- Very definitive. Very unlikely, too. The total mass of the asteroid belt amounts to a fraction of the mass of the Moon. Electrical forces caused the breakup and I think formation of some or all of the asteroid belt from Saturn's celestial disk from its last flare. The breakup occurred 5,000 years ago. (??) --- That certainly is not accepted natural history. But as a young earth type, you invent things. Severing of the plasma column produced the Great Flood and the Ice Age, (??) --- How did the flood happen, where is the water from? Certainly not from a plasma column composed of one electron per cubic meter? although floods and ice ages also occurred after former flare events as well. * Red Sun - Debris remained in orbit for a few thousand years (??) --- Love this: where, however, did the debris come from? This sounds like Cook, except he writes that it had always been there. after the breakup, which made the Sun and planets look red. (??) -- This after Gary Gilligan, and a major opoint of disagreement I have with him. And many meteors struck the Earth's atmosphere and produced megalightning impacts on Earth. (??) --- We cannot argue with that, since there is no evidence to prove anything either way. But note how this replicates Cook's essay on Tunguska. Thornhill has maintained that also. A much better extension of physics than "satellites in awake behind Saturn." Ancient civilizations began mostly after the breakup and lasted about 3,000 years at most. The Modern Era began about 2,000 years ago, when the debris in orbit had greatly diminished and the Sun became bright like it is now. (??) --- And why was the debris greatly "diminished 2000" years ago? Cook holds that this happened in 2349 BC, what others call the Flood of Noah, but that particles kept drifting down until the 18th century. * This thread is for discussing what happened about the time of the Saturn System breakup. Lloyd Posts: 2545 Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:54 pm Top _________________________________________________________________ Re: Saturn System Breakup 5,000 Years Ago Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Aug 25, 2012 12:12 pm * The Saturn System broke up somewhere near Jupiter and the asteroid belts. When Earth left the warmth of Saturn's tail (??) -- Why would the tail be warm? and the polar column, I suppose it took a few decades to reach its present orbit. The move from near Jupiter or Mars to the present orbit would have been very cold, producing an ice age. I suppose the lower latitudes would have been the only places warm enough for most people and animals during that time. (??) --- why the lower latitudes? The lower latitudes of Mars are still at 200 degrees below zero. * The plasma column held a lot of ocean water from Earth, so, when it was severed, a Great Flood occurred when the column let go of some of the water. (??) --- (a la 1975?) This is so Velikovskian. And the ultimate in speculation. * The column also had very strong tornadoes during the Golden Age which chewed up the ground in the Arctic. The Arctic was warm during the Golden Age and there was abundant plant and animal life. (??) --- I give up. But the tornadoes were a bit erratic and gobbled up plants and animals as well as dirt near the pole. (??) --- It this divven by a hyperactive imagination, or what. The South pole has a constant hurricane rotating around the polar seas. Electrical forces pulverized the matter into organic powder. When the column was severed, after the flood waters were let go, tornadoes mixed the powder with broken plants and animals and ice pellets to make frozen muck, covering much of the Arctic circle. Loess is pulverized rock, which also covers much of the area. (??) --- Loess is indeed pulvarized, but the size is much too small for any imagined mechanically method. And what pulverized the rock? Ice pellects grinding stone to microscopic sizes smaller than sand? Loess is created with a cathode arc of immense size. * The area around the Arctic Ocean must have been hit by a blast of very cold air from the upper atmosphere, when plasma column severed, because large animals and even bodies of water froze almost instantly. In order for mammoths to freeze solid without their cells bursting, they had to be flash frozen, which would have required temperatures below -175F. I'll try to post some relevant data soon. (??) --- We hope, for we have just shifted 10,000 or 20,000 years. Lloyd Posts: 2545 Joined: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:54 pm Top _________________________________________________________________ Re: Saturn System Breakup 5,000 Years Ago Unread post by moses » Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:50 pm The Saturn System broke up somewhere near Jupiter and the asteroid belts. When Earth left the warmth of Saturn's tail and the polar column, I suppose it took a few decades to reach its present orbit. The move from near Jupiter or Mars to the present orbit would have been very cold, producing an ice age. I suppose the lower latitudes would have been the only places warm enough for most people and animals during that time. Lloyd If Earth headed off in about the same direction as Saturn, then it would take some decades just to do one lap around the Sun. And so we quickly have the Earth spending too much time in extremely cold conditions. However if the Earth headed off more towards the Sun (??) --- "headed off." Must tell how "heading off" works. The Earth is not an escaped dog, headed for the Sun to go sniff and play. then that would mean that the Earth would follow an elliptical orbit. to me this is a no-brainer. (??) --- It should be. It exists only in the imagination The Earth would not orbit closer to the Sun every orbit, that it not how it works. And the elliptical orbit explains the oscillating ice ages (??) ---here we are again shifting tens of thousands of years back and forth in time. and the high likelihood of interactions with other planets, as I have written about before. Mo moses Posts: 585 Joined: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm Location: Adelaide + Website Top _________________________________________________________________ Re: Saturn System Breakup 5,000 Years Ago Unread post by Lloyd » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:29 pm Cause of Ice Ages * Mo, according to Cardona's findings, the last ice age is the only one that was likely due to the Earth being too far from the Sun. Before that it was always within the realm of Saturn and it only experienced ice ages after Saturn flares, when the aurora filled with dust and blocked light from Saturn (??) The aurora does not fill with anything. in the north temperate zones. So much ocean water got tied up with the ice sheets during the Age of Darkness that the ocean levels dropped over a mile, so that much of the now submerged land was available for habitation. I believe it's entirely possible for objects to spiral in toward the Sun as Saturn apparently did for 5,000 years and as comets may do. Spacecraft are guided in a spiral fashion to get from one orbit to another, as from Earth to Mars or the reverse. (??) --- after two sideways directed burns. So Earth could have moved from the orbit of Jupiter to its present orbit within a decade or so. It may be that Earth's encounter with the Moon is what helped stop its inward spiral. Hydroplate Theory & Saturn Theory (??) --- stop here: Now we are getting into Christian creationism nonsense