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Forum rules Post a reply <./posting.php?mode=reply&f=8&t=130> First unread post <./viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130&view=unread#unread> • 48 posts • Page *1* of *4* <#> • *1*, 2 <./viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130&start=15>, 3 <./viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130&start=30>, 4 <./viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130&start=45> Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p945> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=945#p945>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:44 am Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: Remembering Velikovsky Reply with quote OP "TampaDAve" Does anyone know of a list of things Velikovsky was right about, but nonetheless was ridiculed and vilified by Establishment Science? I remember reading of or hearing a few. Radio Noise from Jupiter he was aware of predicting to howls of amusement, and then when he pointed out that he had been right, the response was "even the worst Charlatan gets a few guesses right." I remember a lot of debate over the surface temperature on Venus, which he predicted would be hot, and scientists invented some crazy scheme whereby enough light penetrates the optically dense atmosphere to create a greenhouse effect... pretty lame considering how dark it is at the surface, but how hot! Anyway, as time goes by, I figure the list would be pretty long by now. I am very interested in how history and archeology have dealt with his discovery of falsification of almost 1000 yrs of Egyptian history by just repeating large segments with the names changed. This would require a lot of work to get the foundations back level and solid, and I doubt anyone has been willing to do the work, since ignoring Velikovsky has been the norm. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p946> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=946#p946>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:45 am Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "caplanmh" I recommend that you read a copy of "Velikovsky Reconsidered" a paperback In this many of your questions will be answered. I would guess you can get a copy from Amazon. You could definitely get a copy from the "Society for Interdisciplinary Studies" (SIS). you may even want to join. I think there is a link on the thunderbolts site. _________________ Michael H. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p947> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=947#p947>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:46 am Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "Guest" Yes, I read _Velikovsky Reconsidered_ about 30 years ago. I thought there might have been scientific discoveries in the past 30 years. Velikovsky's daughter, who lives in Israel, sent me an excellent book a few years ago, _Steven J Gould and Immanuel Velikovsky_, which is 20 years newer than _Reconsidered_, but is more focused not on ways Velikovsky can be shown to be right, but ways his detractors were wrong. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p948> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=948#p948>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:47 am Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 5:46 pm Post subject: Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky by Charles Ginenthal Reply with quote OP "pln2bz" I also recommend this book. It's very dense and dry, but it was published in 1990. It is packed with a technical analysis of the debate between those two, and an overall look at the context for the debate -- basically, was it fair? There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p950> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=950#p950>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:48 am Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: Remembering Velikovsky Reply with quote OP "Guest" TampaDAve wrote:Does anyone know of a list of things Velikovsky was right about, but nonetheless was ridiculed and vilified by Establishment Science? Just about every book that focuses on Velikovsky (in a positive light) will note at least a few such things--but every book I've seen lists at most about a half dozen or so. And these are rarely in a true list format. I've often wished I could find the same thing... but I know of no comprehensive list. I suspect that if one were created it would be rather long, since many of the books I've seen lists in contain different things. Several books (like: "Carl Sagan and Immanuel Velikovsky" by Ginenthal) note several of these sorts of things--unfortunately, they are scattered throughout the book. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p951> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=951#p951>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:50 am Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Remembering Velikovsky Reply with quote OP "Guest" TampaDAve wrote:Does anyone know of a list of things Velikovsky was right about, but nonetheless was ridiculed and vilified by Establishment Science? Among Velikovsky's oft-cited predictions were extremely high temperatures of Venus, radio noises from Jupiter, and remanent magnetism and radioactive hot spots on the moon. But it was Velikovsky's more fundamental claims that provoked the harshest ridicule from established science. He contended that-- * The planetary system was unstable in early historical times; * In this unstable phase intense electrical events occurred; * Venus was born from the gas giant Jupiter; * Venus appeared with a cometary tail, its movements threatening other planets, including Earth; * Mars, too, disturbed the Earth in near collisions; * In these events cosmic thunderbolts blasted planetary surfaces; * Ancient records--astronomical traditions, myths, symbols, religious rites--permit a reconstruction of these events through systematic cross-cultural comparison. There are, of course, dozens of predictions inherent in these radical claims. They are already being tested by space age discovery, experimental work, and historical investigation. Bottom line: Velikovsky was wrong on many things, but much closer to the truth than his critics. In fact, as far I can determine these days, the only good critics of Velikovsky are those who also honor his pioneering contribution. Most "scientific" discussion of Velikovsky, due to ignorance of electricity in space, is misdirected and essentially meaningless. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p953> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=953#p953>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:51 am Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:50 pm Post subject: Let's move on...? Reply with quote OP "mgmirkin" The "Velikovsky Affair," so-called, is ancient history. As some have said, he may have been correct on some points and way off on others. But, things have progressed quite a bit beyond the Velikovsky debate in the intervening decades, both in terms of the "standard model" and in terms of "plasma cosmology." As such, the Velikovsky Affair is really only notable as a footnote in science, for some interesting ideas submitted and as a study of human nature, and our response to items of interest, intrigue, and controversy. Something of a study in "uniformitarian science" vs. "maverick science." Both way of going about it have good aspect and bad aspects. Unfortunately, the response to Velikovsky's maverick approach wasn't all that favorable or equitable. He introduced "interesting ideas" (some of which may have had validity, some of which may not), but he was also popularly martyred for them, whether rightly or wrongly. Rather than a fair trial and discussion of validity, something of a witch-hunt and exile ensued. Unfortunately, that is the real legacy of Velikovsky, and also a bit of a stigma attached to him (whether deserved or not). For that reason, rehashing the past may not be a constructive effort. Let's move forward from where we're at TODAY, and see if we can end up some place interesting. =o] There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p954> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=954#p954>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:51 am Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:24 am Post subject: Speaking of "The Velikovsky Affair" Reply with quote OP "arc-us" Not wanting to preach to the choir here, but for any not familiar with it, here are links to Alfred de Grazia's work, The Velikovsky Affair: HTML http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavo ... ll.htm#v15 PDFs http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavo ... m#v_pdf_15 Plain-text http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavo ... affair.txt There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p955> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=955#p955>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:52 am Posted: Fri May 04, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: HIS MAJOR CLAIMS Reply with quote OP "lk" I think his main claims, based on mythological records and scientific data, were as follows. 1. Venus emerged from Jupiter in an incandescant comet-like state and some decades or centuries later made a close approach to the earth at the time of the Exodus, about 1450 BC, which approach caused all of the ten plagues, and about 50 years later made the final close approach, causing the earth to stop rotating for a few hours, before returning to normal rotation. 2. Venus had encounters with Mars, which set Mars off-course, causing it to make 2 or more close approaches to earth and our moon around 700 BC, which produced further, but less serious, catastrophes. 3. Mankind was traumatized by the cataclysms and subconsciously preferred to think the records were greatly exaggerated and fantacy. 4. Egyptian history is largely about 500 years too ancient, whereas Biblical history is much more accurate. 5. Saturn exploded as a Nova, ejecting water which caused the Great Flood. . What Velikovsky's main supporters are claiming now is this. 6. Earth, Mars and Venus all emerged from Saturn at different times, as did many or most of the moons, that the Saturn system originated outside of the solar system, and that the cataclysms Velikovsky described actually occurred centuries to millennia before the Exodus, when the Saturn system first entered the solar system. This combines #1, 2 & 5. David Talbott started to develop this idea in the early 70s. Wal Thornhill started helping elaborate the theory in the early 90s, I think. 7. Electrical forces shape most of the universe and are even responsible for the force of gravity. Velikovsky first suggested that electrical forces played a significant role in the near approaches with Mars, especially when the ancients referred to thunderbolts from Zeus and the apparently electrified net he put around Mars and the moon. This apparently led to electrical engineer Ralph Juergens' studies into the moon and Mars episode. This and his familiarity with Charles Bruce's and others' theories of electrical forces shaping galaxies etc seem to have led to his theory that the sun and all stars are electrically powered, not nuclear powered. Thornhill accepted Juergens' theory and extended it a lot. 8. They seem to agree that Velikovsky was right about #3 & 4, that mankind suffered amnesia and that the traumatic fear carries on in the human race, keeping science uniformitarian, and that Egyptian history is wrong largely in the way he said and that Biblical history is more correct. He identified Oedipus Rex of the Greek tragedy with the Egyptian pharaoh, Akhnaten, whom conventional history still dates way too early. 9. Velikovsky's major error was in dating the cataclysms too recently in historical times. Therefore, the Exodus plagues and other historical catastrophes were not caused by a close approach with comet Venus or with Mars etc. 10. His major legacy may be the discovery that ancient mythology was a fairly accurate record of ancient events. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p956> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=956#p956>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:53 am Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "Jack Lantern" His work was interesting, he made suprisingly accurate predictions, despite some of his claims that even I can't even except (proto-Saturn going nova?), all in all, I would have to agree that he will be an interesting footnote in the history of science, and that things have moved forward since then. _________________ "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -Richard P. Feynman There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p957> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=957#p957>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:53 am Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:48 am Post subject: Dr. V Reply with quote OP "Steve Smith" This forum, Thunderbolts.com, Holoscience.com, The Society for Interdisciplinary Studies and many other websites and groups would not exist if not for Dr. Velikovsky. Dave and Stephen Talbott, Dwardu Cardona, Harold Tresman, CJ Ransom, (author of his own book, The Age of Velikovsky -- 1976), Clark Whelton, and many, many others too numerous to mention were intimate associates with Dr. V. I would not be doing what I do, now, if not for Dr. V. and his contribution to the electric universe and the Saturn Theory were substantial, necessary and foundational to this research. He was not "popularly martyred". His book, Worlds in Collision, was a number one NY Times, non-fiction bestseller in the 50's. It was people like Sagan, Asimov and other blindfolded fencers who castigated his work. Worlds in Collision, Earth in Upheaval and Mankind in Amnesia are reference works on my bookshelf. I remember Dr. V with admiration and respect. He led the way for my interest in science, in general, and cosmology\astrophysics, in particular. All that I know of Mars, Venus and the electrical scarring of the planets and moons is because of Immanuel Velikovsky. Steve There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p958> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=958#p958>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:54 am Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "David Talbott" That is a very timely reminder Steve. On every occasion of a public talk, Wal Thornhill and I will explicitly honor Velikovsky's inspiration, and for the reasons you state. Nevertheless, whenever I mention Velikovsky's name in the presence of academics or scientists I do not know, I always find myself looking over my shoulder, based on the kinds of responses I've gotten from people sympathetic to the Electric Universe but strongly affected by the way official science tells the Velikovsky story. But if the issue comes up as a "negative," nothing will be of greater value to the one expressing the concern than the discovery of Velikovsky's true contribution. To see that contribution clearly is to instantly realize the scale of the crisis in the theoretical sciences today. There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p959> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=959#p959>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:55 am Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: Fair enough... Reply with quote OP "mgmirkin" Okay, you'reright. Perhaps "popularly marytred" was a bit too strong. Definnitely not saying he didn't start or contribute to the discussion. I guess I was just pointing out that due to some scientific witch-hunting, a bit of stigma has been attached after the fact, and sometimes the name is used pejoratively. Not saying that's right or wrong. Just it is what it is. And we are where we are because he started the debate. BUT, I guess my point was simply that we're a few decades beyond the "Velikovsky Affair." It's useful in a historical context, but my understanding is that we've moved on considerably beyond Velikovsky's initial ideas and are considerably down the road toward the "bigger picture," so back-tracking to re-debate Velikovsky isn't necessarily helpful. That's not to say his work can't be mentioned in a historical context. Simply that referring to Velikovsky's model seems to me like referring to an "earlier version" of what we understand today, and we should rather focus on where we're at in our understanding and go from there, rather than focussing on "where we were" at that point in time. No offense intended. Not saying Velikovsky doesn't deserve a place in history or in conversation, simply that we should be careful of the context, and be careful to "move forward," rather than dwelling on the past. Anywho, good stuff. :) There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p960> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=960#p960>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:56 am Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "Professor_Archetype" - Another vote from me for 'Velikovsky Reconsidered' which I recently read. - I recall thinking that Velikovsky's theory that Venus sprang from Jupiter was the weakest of his claims. Now, it turns out this is possible under the electrical theory of the universe. I think I first came across it reading Halton Arp. :shock: There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. Let one's mind and one's subtle body rest upon that and not rest on anything else. — Maitri Upanishad User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54> *Posts:* 2410 *Joined:* Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:50 pm *Location:* El Paso, Texas, USA * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: Recovered: Remembering Velikovsky <#p961> New post <./viewtopic.php?p=961#p961>by *arc-us <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54>* » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:57 am Posted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:52 pm Post subject: Velikovsky's Predictions Reply with quote OP "Steve Smith" Some of these predictions were said to be impossible when you made them. All of them were predicted long before proof that they were correct came to hand. Conversely I do not know of any specific prediction you made that has since been proven to be false. I suspect the merit lies in that you have a good basic background in the natural sciences and you are quite uninhibited by the prejudices and probability taboos which confine the thinking of most of us." the late H.H. Hess, chairman, geology department, Princeton, and chairman, Space Science Hoard, National Academy of Science, in a letter to Velikovsky for public record, 1963. "Space is not a vacuum; and electromagnetism plays a fundamental role in our solar system and the entire universe." "The sun is an electrically charged body." "Venus originated in a violent disruption of Jupiter." "Venus is hot." "The Venetic atmosphere contains - besides carbon dioxide - carbohydrates and hydrocarbons." "Venus was in near collision with Earth." "Venus may have an anomalous rotation." "A large comet was in collision with Earth." "Many comets are of recent origin (historical times) and are the result of disruptions on planets." "Some cometary tails and also some meteorites contain hydrocarbons" "Some meteorites contain argon and neon." "Jupiter emits radio noises." "Jupiter: a dark star." "Part of the ammonia and methane-rich Jovian atmosphere was converted into hydrocarbons by means of electrical discharges when it became Venus' trailing part." "Mars has been subjected to stress, heating and bubbling activity in recent times." "Mars must have localized areas of strong radioactivity (due to interplanetary discharges)" "Mars must have changed its orbit and its rotational momentum." "The moon has been subjected to heating (or liquefaction) and bubbling activity in recent times." "The majority of the lunar craters resulted from the collapse of large bubbles." "Evidence of petroleum hydrocarbons will be found on the moon." "Hydrocarbons on the lunar surface must have been mostly converted to carbides." "Lunar rocks will reveal remanent magnetism, despite the fact that the moon itself has an exceedingly weak magnetic field." "Moonquakes must be very numerous (not necessarily strong)." "Lunar rocks will be found to contain excessive inclusions of argon and neon from an extraneous source; on the basis of potassium-argon dating the age of the moon will be calculated as older than the solar system itself." "Localized spots of excessively strong radioactivity exist on the lunar surface." "A strong thermal gradient toward the surface, due to disturbance in lunar motion will be found." "Thermoluminescence of lunar cores will show a thermal process in historical times." "The Earth has a magnetosphere. It reaches at least as far as the moon." "There have been many sudden reversals in the Earth's magnetic polarity, and they were caused by interplanetary discharges." "There have been shifts in the direction of the Earth's astronomical axis and in the position of the geographical pole." "Changes in the length of the day could have been caused in the past by electromagnetic interactions." "Some of Earth's petroleum deposits are of recent date and extraterrestrial origin. "The Earth's climate has undergone radical change as recently as the Bronze Age. Human settlements will be discovered on the Kolyma or Lena Rivers flowing into the Arctic Ocean." "The last (Wisconsin) glacial period ended not 35'000 years ago but much later, and a more recent glacial advance occurred 3,400 years ago." "Entire civilizations were overthrown by violent catastrophes in the Near East during historical times." "The Minoan B script writings unearthed on Crete and in the Peloponnesus are Greek." "Mesoamerican culture is several centuries older than the date assigned to it in traditional historical chronology." There are many other "unconfirmed" predictions. Go here for the source materials and who\where\when confirmed those that I've listed: http://www.kronia.com/library/journals/success.txt Steve There is something beyond our mind which abides in silence within our mind. It is the supreme mystery beyond thought. 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