May 4 2007 by 1k .. that the Saturn system originated outside of the solar system, and that the cataclysms Velikovsky described actually occurred centuries to millennia before the Exodus, when the Saturn system first entered the solar system. Velikovsky first suggested that electrical forces played a significant role in the near approaches with Mars, especially when the ancients referred to thunderbolts from Zeus and the apparently electrified net he put around Mars and the moon. This apparently led to electrical engineer Ralph Juergens' studies into the moon and Mars episode. This and his familiarity with Charles Bruce's and others' theories of electrical forces shaping galaxies etc seem to have led to his theory that the sun and all stars are electrically powered, not nuclear powered. Thornhill accepted Juergens' theory and extended it a lot. Velikovsky's major error was in dating the cataclysms too recently in historical times. Therefore, the Exodus plagues and other historical catastrophes were not caused by a close approach with comet Venus or with Mars etc. Posted: Sun May 06, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "Jack Lantern" (this last) I would have to agree that he will be an interesting footnote in the history of science, and that things have moved forward since then. Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 7:57 pm Post subject: Reply with quote OP "David Talbott" Nevertheless, whenever I mention Velikovsky's name in the presence of academics or scientists I do not know, I always find myself looking over my shoulder, based on the kinds of responses I've gotten from people sympathetic to the Electric Universe but strongly affected by the way official science tells the Velikovsky story. But if the issue comes up as a "negative," nothing will be of greater value to the one expressing the concern than the discovery of Velikovsky's true contribution. To see that contribution clearly is to instantly realize the scale of the crisis in the theoretical sciences today.