Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group The Saturnian Cosmology folk have hypothesized that the moon was not always in orbit around the earth - what effect on earths gravity would the arrival of the moon have? Posts: 60 Location: Dunfermline Post Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:11 am Post subject: Reply with quote _________________________________________________________________ I think I found this link on the Thunderbolts website [/url]http://saturniancosmology.org/tab.php[url] Its a great site, totally nuts but interesting stuff all the same![/url] Post Forum: Electric Universe Posted: Wed May 23, 2007 9:50 pm Subject: achuel...acuela.....acku...STONE AXES I put in a link (which didn't work but you can copy and paste) for the Saturnian cosmology site, as I said this site is pretty out there but it takes a holistic approach with masses of info from all o ... I put in a link (which didn't work but you can copy and paste) for the Saturnian cosmology site, as I said this site is pretty out there but it takes a holistic approach with masses of info from all over the place, even if you reject the central hypothesis there is so much to get your teeth into including a lot of stuff regarding the evolution of mind and these axes. I would also recommend reading Stephen Baxters Evolution. Its fiction, but once again there is so much to get your teeth into (and I love Baxter, even though I hate a lot of the science he uses). Thornhill thinks Saturn was a brown dwarf star well outside the solar system and earth etc were planets of Saturn, until the system was swallowed up by the solar system a few thousand years ago. Back to top .............. I believe my own eyes and my own intellect. I believe credible sources that have shown themselves to be objective and studying reality. You seem to all too readily dismiss my concerns by claiming that I dismiss Dwardu's work. I'm not talking about comparative mythology specifically here. I'm talking about treating sleep patterns as a clue to a prior celestial order. There is nothing by which you can study directly for "prehistoric" sleep patterns. It is also important to note that comparative mythology does not play directly into a Saturnian Configuration - it works to establish plasma effects and interactions within humanity's historical record. That, in turn, requires any celestial historical account to take into account plasma effects; something the Saturn Mythos is designed from the ground up on. One supports the other, and one does not require the other. Dwardu's work, however ingenius and well researched it is, still suffers from the inaccessibility of empirical observation and confirmation. Until such time as a time machine is developed, and you can travel back in time and see the polar configuration yourself and record it for others, all you have is a working theory - perhaps a well thought one, but still a theory incapable of being verified and based solely on interpretations. So, before you continue to demand that I'm refusing to understand you, perhaps you should take a minute and understand the gravity of what I'm saying - it is far less important determining what happened in pre-history, and far more important understanding what we're observing right now. It is so far less important, in my mind, that I have trouble understanding why the effort is being put into it to begin with. Any value you think you can glean from the past doesn't trump the value in studying the present conditions. The difference? Studying current conditions is empirical evidence and confirmation of theory. Studying what might have been in the past cannot lead to anything conclusive, due to the nature of what you are studying (which is not a comprehensive historical record, but a fractured-a-thousand-ways recording of human interpretation of events that weren't understood and have no relation to today). I hold no grudges nor disdain for Dwardu Cordona nor his work. It takes a lot of confidence and conviction to come to your own conclusions and pronounce them to a world that would rather you didn't exist than be questioned. I wish you'd get off the "defend Dwardu" horse for a minute and attempt to understand what I'm saying, instead knee-jerk reacting to it. pln2bz Joined: 07 Apr 2007 Posts: 198 Post Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:31 pm ........ I think the general problem I have with your contributions to Saturn Theory threads is that you don't really add any value to the conversation from the perspective of somebody who is interested in exploring the intricate details of the theory. We all already understand your beliefs regarding mythology and ancient texts because we were all raised to believe that same thing. That's the starting point for most investigations into the Saturn Theory. I'm merely identifying connections. I leave the proof to the experts, and I don't claim that this stuff acts as proof of anything. Your postings are a distraction because they act to discourage people from suggesting additional connections or to discuss the details of this one, which is my primary purpose. There will come a day when we may have a forum board devoted on this site to Saturn Theory. If Dave's occasional comments are any gauge, it will be very difficult to pull it off well. We will need numerous people available that have read all of the literature, who can clearly state how to properly apply comparative mythology, and who understand the differences in degree of proof. If and when that board goes up, your over-skepticism will tend to tie up any interesting conversation that might occur. I'm wondering if this board should possibly be broken down into two parts: one board devoted to Saturn Theory skeptics and one to Saturn Theory advocates who wish to identify connections. That would allow people like you and I to co-exist on the same forums without wasting each others' time. That's important, because neither of us have really gained much from these kinds of conversations. The mainstream skepticism is just distracting for people who are no longer skeptical. And my connections are not intended to even convince you in the first place. There will remain skepticism about the Saturn Theory for a long time to come. If advocates allow themselves to get bogged down in trying to convince skeptics all the time, that could waste a lot of time that could be better spent having more advanced conversations. The advocates will need a place where they can speak without constantly having to take on a defensive posture. Just something to think about for the moderators. It would be nice to see something learned from the experience of this conversation. I'm sure that we will eventually see others who actually agree with Pfhoenix's points, and who are happy to actively discourage any conversation about Saturn Theory. This won't work for a forum dedicated to Saturn Theory. ........... Unfortuantely I too avoid conversations about Saturn Cosmology with you aswell due to this point of view. The politics of presentation are more important than the actualy truth of the subject matter. All attempts to discuss it often turn down this avenue to debating the way of NOT telling people certain things, and telling them only others to make certain their fragile insecurities don't break. To me that stinks of censorship, and not you, nor I, nor even David Talbott is given the right to censor others. Sorry to come in at the end like this, and I apologize for appearing to be berating you, I certainly don't mean too. I simply feel there is no hope in having a quality discussion regarding aspects of Saturnian Cosmology when you are constantly telling us to not talk about it, or move the conversation to a more cloistered arena. Take it as you will, however, one day I do hope to have a good conversation on this forum about this subject. _________________ Neil Thompson Krackonis