CAVEMANforum - The most popular Paleo diet and caveman exercise discussion site ........ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote from: Tarlach on December 13, 2009, 04:14:51 PM Thanks for the spam Huh Not spam, this is a genuine topic for discussion. I'm one of those who are skeptical about the uniformitarian "evolution" hypothesis. The orbits of the planets today were not the same orbits a few thousand years ago. There were a lot of pretty violent events. In as little as 5000 BC tp 3000 BC, the ancient people recorded the planet SATURN as their SUN, a motionless fixed sun that rotates in a polar configuration. This was a golden age. It was planetary fly byes and planetary configurations that paleo men saw and drew. It was only recently in 11,000 BC that large game died out, probably due to some planetary disaster, not because we humans ate it all. It is in the recent and multitudes of catastrophes that humans have awakened to a consciousness we know today. The ancients who wrote and drew what they saw do not do any metaphors, they say it as it is. This affects the future of science and our understanding of human history. It all the more gives credence to why most probably we should be thriving on large game animals for food. The sky the ancient people saw in Paleo Times earlier than 10,000 BC, and up to the 2,000 BC were much different from what we see today. This is a big deal. And it has been 20th century un-scientific biases that has kept us from recognizing what the ancients wrote was not mere mythology. « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 04:35:59 PM by goodsamaritan/ » Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm on Raw Paleo but I have kids to feed too. My 8yr old boy is now fully on Paleo diet! http://www.myhealthblog.org *Tarlach * Hero Member ***** Karma: +90/-9 Offline Offline Posts: 998 Fighting fit! View Profile Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #3 on:* December 13, 2009, 04:55:47 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There is plenty of proof that the earth has not discernibly changed distance from the sun in the last *billion years*. Likewise with the other planets. Saturn has never been close enough to the Earth to be regarded as anything more than a bright, yellowish point of light. The night sky was not noticeably different 10,000 years ago. Read up on some physical cosmology. The planets don't just wander around the solar system. « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 10:46:03 PM by Tarlach/ » Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ goodsamaritan is not a spammer. He has been registered on this forum for a year. He has presented here an alternative theory of the solar system that may have affected paleo peoples. I don't have time to read the text of the web site at this time. Quote In as little as 5000 BC to 3000 BC, the ancient people recorded the planet SATURN as their SUN, a motionless fixed sun that rotates in a polar configuration. This was a golden age. I don't think writing actually started until about 3000-2500 BC. « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 05:23:33 PM by Paleo Dude/ » Logged *Tarlach * Hero Member ***** Karma: +90/-9 Offline Offline Posts: 998 Fighting fit! View Profile Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #5 on:* December 13, 2009, 05:57:35 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote from: Paleo Dude on December 13, 2009, 05:03:33 PM goodsamaritan is not a spammer. You say potato... The first post sure looked like spam. It's not even a vaguely plausible theory. If it was a one off post it would have looked like a random spammer. Same as a bunch of his other links. Ie. http://saturniancosmology.org http://www.curetoothdecay.com http://www.wewant2live.com http://www.healingourchildren.net http://www.freeacnebook.com http://www.grazian-archive.com/quantavolution/QuantaSeries.htm ... plus the repeated linking to his own blogs (about 25 times + in his sig) http://www.eczemacure.info http://www.curemanual.com http://www.myhealthblog.org All with prominent donation requests... Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The "Seven Deadly Sins" ? Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . ? Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) ? Refined foods (salt/sugars etc ) . . ? Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant) ? Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . . ? Legumes (soy/beans/peas) ? Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) *samjohn * Global Moderator Hero Member ***** Karma: +55/-5 Offline Offline Posts: 767 View Profile Email Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #6 on:* December 13, 2009, 07:03:42 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I was about to delete that opening post as spam until I realized it was from a long time poster. Odd that this 'golden age' predates the earliest samples of writing ever found. How could there be records then? Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'. Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is absolutely no need. If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help. *goodsamaritan * Sr. Member **** Karma: +37/-44 Online Online Posts: 304 I'm on Raw Paleo View Profile WWW Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #7 on:* December 13, 2009, 07:22:27 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ They made drawings and carvings. And they are obviously electrical plasma phenomenon Did you see the youtube video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoThe9EzcaE They present the evidence. « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 07:24:06 PM by goodsamaritan/ » Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm on Raw Paleo but I have kids to feed too. My 8yr old boy is now fully on Paleo diet! http://www.myhealthblog.org *Lakeside* Guest Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #8 on:* December 13, 2009, 08:26:01 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote from: samjohn on December 13, 2009, 07:03:42 PM I was about to delete that opening post as spam until I realized it was from a long time poster. Odd that this 'golden age' predates the earliest samples of writing ever found. How could there be records then? That is one of my problems with it is that it predates writing. However, looking at it from a another point of view. The idea that "Saturn having once occupied a position above Earth's north polar regions" is impossible. The gravitational pull of the moon has a great influence on the Earth, effecting the ocean tides and stabilizes Earth's rotation and tilt, preventing movements that would cause climatic swings that would possibly destroy all life on Earth. The moon is 1/81 the mass of the Earth. The mass of Saturn is 95 times that of Earth. Gravitational pull from Saturn being that close to the Earth would of been tremendous. It would of taken a tremendous force for Saturn to break away from it's orbit near Earth. What would of provided that force? Newton's first law of motion states that a body moves at a constant speed until a force acts upon it. Any force that would of move Saturn away from Earth (or Earth away from Saturn) would of been so great that it would of destroyed all life on Earth. Logged *goodsamaritan * Sr. Member **** Karma: +37/-44 Online Online Posts: 304 I'm on Raw Paleo View Profile WWW Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #9 on:* December 13, 2009, 08:37:31 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I will let Dave Talbot do his presentation as a reply to "impossible" in his 8 minute youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoThe9EzcaE the ancients said it happened, and they drew it all over the world. With the electric universe theory, the science now fits what the ancients drew. Dave Talbot has a thread in his forum http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=245 (only for those interested) (I thought this should be interesting as to tracing what paleo times really were and how our paleo times drew to a sudden close so people like me and my children struggle with health when I eat non paleo diets. But I think I should stop posting on this thread now...) « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 08:53:24 PM by goodsamaritan/ » Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'm on Raw Paleo but I have kids to feed too. My 8yr old boy is now fully on Paleo diet! http://www.myhealthblog.org *samjohn * Global Moderator Hero Member ***** Karma: +55/-5 Offline Offline Posts: 767 View Profile Email Re: Quantavolution and Catastrophes, all encompasing hypothesis, paleo condition « *Reply #10 on:* December 13, 2009, 10:40:46 PM » ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote from: Paleo Dude on December 13, 2009, 08:26:01 PM The idea that "Saturn having once occupied a position above Earth's north polar regions" is impossible. The gravitational pull of the moon has a great influence on the Earth, effecting the ocean tides and stabilizes Earth's rotation and tilt, preventing movements that would cause climatic swings that would possibly destroy all life on Earth. The moon is 1/81 the mass of the Earth. The mass of Saturn is 95 times that of Earth. Gravitational pull from Saturn being that close to the Earth would of been tremendous. It would of taken a tremendous force for Saturn to break away from it's orbit near Earth. What would of provided that force? Newton's first law of motion states that a body moves at a constant speed until a force acts upon it. Any force that would of move Saturn away from Earth (or Earth away from Saturn) would of been so great that it would of destroyed all life on Earth. Well actually chaos theory does allow for quite radical changes in planetary orbits, without outside influence. In theory. Mercury experiences orbit changes semi regularly, but because it is so small it doesn't really damage the balance. Imagine if Saturn started moving around... This is quite a good read on a similar topic - http://www.pnas.org/content/98/22/12342.full I suppose given the immense size of Saturn, it would not need to be anywhere near as close to earth as the moon to appear quite prominently in the sky. But yeah, if Saturn was close enough to be clearly visible then its gravitational pull would have thrown a hell of a lot of stuff out of whack. From what I've read, the mathematical chance of such a radical orbit change is miniscule, and for this theory to be correct, saturn would have had to move twice, in a short period of time. That is beyond the realms of possibility, let alone probability. I suppose my biggest issue with it is that any such occurrence would have a huge effect on the earths climate and temperature, yet temperature records from ice core samples, and tree ring research all show a world climate with a very regular temperature cycle, no variations out of the ordinary. « /Last Edit: December 13, 2009, 10:51:05 PM by samjohn/ » Logged ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'. Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is absolutely no need. If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help. *Tarlach * Hero Member ***** Karma: +90/-9 Offline Offline Posts: 998 Fighting fit! 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