Thunderbolts Forum For discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology Skip to content <#start_here> * Board index <./index.php> *‹* New Insights and Mad Ideas The Evolution of the subjective consciousness The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46599> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46599#p46599>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Mon Jan 31, 2011 12:49 pm One aspect of the EU model, and also that being used in the work of the plasma cosmologist, Anthony Peratt, is the idea of ancient myths taking on historical significance, more so, than merely looking at them in a religious aspect. Indeed, as already mentioned here on this forum, religious spiritual thought could be seen as a development in humankind around 1500 BC with the birth of the subjective consciousness. However, some have argued that these spiritual awakenings, at least for Hinduism could be placed in the Indus Valley which ended its mature period around 1900 BCE. In the subjective consciousness, the 'I' begins to take on awareness beyond the preconsciousness mind. The 'I' through the development of subjective consciousness perceives itself in correspondence with the influences of its outside environment and his/her relation to others. This development of the subjective consciousness allowed a rise in human development that could ascertain cultural and social evolution in relation to a spiritual quest of the individual. Thus, Nature was not simply something that governed humankind, but was something that could be understood in relation to the self. In Hindu thought, one of its major features was the concept of the "maya" or the illusionary aspect of our existence. We see this in the representation of Hindu gods which have their eyes closed to symbolize the dream nature of existence. In the Ancient Egyptian culture, it is demonstrated as the "way" or "path" - the journey of the soul. In the Occidental world, there is the idea of the unlimited, as represented in the Gothic structure of cathedrals with their rising pinnacles reaching towards the skies. All of these represents a search beyond the purely physical nature of existence, and leads to the evolving of metaphysical questions. If we investigate the idea of the Saturn Myth, with its catastrophic and all encompassing arc-mode lightening display as the planets interacted in seeking their own equilibrium, the notion of nature as an imposing force was one to render a culture/civilization as submissive to Nature and the Gods. As the solar system became more passive in the defined orbits we witness today, also too, the infusion of past arc-mode plasma accelerated the evolution of consciousness. The significance of what was once perceived as the Gods and Nature elements grew into something that became more weighted symbolically, representing humankinds relation to Nature, Spirit, and the inner metaphysical yearning for answers now taking on a greater role, giving rise to the impetus for philosophical and religious thoughts. “Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” —Confucius. Although, it is important to point out that some people have not yet developed a subjective consciousness, but remain in the preconsciousness mentality. This is why I give import to the individual over the collective consciousness, but that is not to negate or diminish the latter in any regard. As the living aspects of plasma seeking its own equilibrium through electromagnetic processing, so too, the bodhisattva serves in the same capacity, and more than that, is the embodiment of this living processing of plasma now represented in the subjective consciousness. Consider, according to the work of Guosong Liu, a neuroscientist at the Picower Center for Learning and Memory at MIT: Brain circuitry finding could shape design While computers process information using a binary system of zeros and ones, the neuron, Liu discovered, communicates its electrical signals in trinary--utilizing not only zeros and ones, but also minus ones. This allows additional interactions to occur during processing. For instance, two signals can add together or cancel each other out, or different pieces of information can link up or try to override one another. One reason the brain might need the extra complexity of another computation component is that it has the ability to ignore information when necessary; for instance, if you are concentrating on something, you can ignore your surroundings. "Computers don't ignore information," Liu said. "This is an evolutionary advantage that's unique to the brain." Liu found that these microprocessors automatically form all along the surface of the cell as the brain develops. The modules also have their own built-in intelligence that seems to allow them to accommodate defects in the wiring or electrical storms in the circuitry: if any of the connections break, new ones automatically form to replace the old ones. If the positive, "excitatory" connections are overloading, new negative, "inhibitory"connections quickly form to balance out the signaling, immediately restoring the capacity to transmit information. Is this a process that is constantly evolving, as we begin to be selective with information, processing it through electrical circuitry that leads to the further evolution of our species, and even perhaps switching on/off of DNA? As 97 percent of our DNA has been relegated to "junk DNA," since its purpose has not yet been discerned, as we access the higher consciousness through both scientific and spiritual knowledge, and begin to realize we are at the nascent period of our evolutionary development. Do the means of understanding symbols and metaphysical choices to investigate, lead to further enhancement of our consciousness? Is this consciousness reciprocating with the very dynamics and interaction of our solar system - and perhaps even further? "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46623> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46623#p46623>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Mon Jan 31, 2011 4:58 pm It is quite clear to me that the cataclysmic events of the past had a major impact on the consciousness of humanity. What formed was a subconscious filled with the repressed experiences of pain and trauma. Along with semi-permanent epigenetic changes that probably had severe effects on brain functioning. If we investigate the idea of the Saturn Myth, with its catastrophic and all encompassing arc-mode lightening display as the planets interacted in seeking their own equilibrium... Aristarchus Mostly we consider planetary interactions coming in the Velikovsky period of chaotic planetary orbits. Just what planetary configuration existed before this is an open question. Thus the Saturn System is more associated with a long period of stability. Mo moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116> *Posts:* 455 *Joined:* Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm *Location:* Adelaide * E-mail moses <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=116> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46660> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46660#p46660>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Tue Feb 01, 2011 11:38 am moses wrote:It is quite clear to me that the cataclysmic events of the past had a major impact on the consciousness of humanity. What formed was a subconscious filled with the repressed experiences of pain and trauma. Along with semi-permanent epigenetic changes that probably had severe effects on brain functioning. I believe you offer a very compelling positing, one that perhaps deserves its own topic to address it deservedly. My focus and premise for this topic concerns the rise of the subjective consciousness and its development and evolution that appears to me to be a modern phenomenon. In addition, I do not relegate everything to "brain functioning," since on other topics at the TB forum where I posted matters relating to this subject, especially offered by JaJa, as I also agree and stress that the function of the heart is also a thinking organ for processing and encoding information. I also believe that thought is evolving, much as a living organism, and so, too, religious and spiritual understanding. As consciousness evolves it is able to tap into the greater dynamics of the holographic universe, and the mind is a representation of that holograph. moses wrote:Mostly we consider planetary interactions coming in the Velikovsky period of chaotic planetary orbits. Just what planetary configuration existed before this is an open question. Thus the Saturn System is more associated with a long period of stability. Who is "we"? The information that I am sourcing comes from the following site: Recovering the Lost World, A Saturnian Cosmology Specifically (viz), Velikovsky held that the approaching planet was taken by the Hebrews to be the savior God of the Exodus. The Hebrews left Egypt during the confusion and devastation which resulted from the alignment with a planet of equal size to the Earth. It caused the demise of the Middle Kingdom of Egypt. The Earth's orbit increased, and the year lengthened. It is only becoming clear during the last decade how this could have happened and what the forces between the two bodies would have been. The 'close approach' was probably a separation of some 10 million miles. The 'collision' effects were electrical, not a physical impact or due to gravitational interactions. I'll clear up the matter of electrical effects in later chapters. "Worlds in Collision" relates another disturbance of Earth in 747 BC, this time as a series of disruptive close approaches of Mars, at one time involving also the Moon and Venus. The details of these interactions are described vividly in the "Iliad" as the combat of the Gods in the heavens paralleling the Trojan War by the mortals below. The "Odyssey" recounts the play of Mars and the Moon, as does the Mesoamerican "Popol Vuh." In 747 BC the year lengthened to 365 and 1/4 days. Everywhere calendars were updated, most often by adding five days to the end of the old year. This epoch of over a hundred years (806 BC to 686 BC) closes with Mars and Earth taking on their current positions around the Sun and a change in the shape of the Earth's orbit. [note 8] Velikovsky spent much of the rest of his life defending his theories, demanding tests be made by the Establishment, and making predictions. In the eyes of his critics he was all too frequently correct. He had an amazing ability to connect disparate information and to see connections where others could not. He wrote a number of additional books dealing with the chronology of the Middle East, filling 600 year gaps. Most of that later work either has been accepted or is still under discussion. [note 10] Velikovsky had intended to write a history of events preceding the contact with Venus in 1500 BC, but put it aside. Some snippets can be found at [http://www.varchive.org] under the subject heading of "In the Beginning." It would have involved Mercury, Saturn, and Jupiter. One comment he made was that he thought the Earth had at one time been a satellite of Saturn. That suggestion started David Talbott on a search for contrary evidence. Wal Thornhill ran into the cosmology of Talbott by accident, and immediately understood it in completely different terms. Having studied the works of plasma theorists, which hold that the nature of the sun is not nuclear but electrical and that virtually all phenomenon in the Universe are exhibitions of plasma flows, Thornhill was able to bring a completely different approach to the mechanics of the Saturnian Polar Configuration. He maintained that the connecting stream between the planets wasn't water or dust -- it was a plasma stream from Saturn at glow or arc level. I'll discuss plasma here briefly. For more information see the websites of Wal Thornhill, Don Scott, and Anthony Peratt. For an independent view see the site of Laszlo Kortvelyessy. [note 14] A plasma stream represents a flow of electricity (a current) through an ionized or easily ionized low-density gas. The current could be composed of electrons, negatively charged ions, protons, or positively charged ions, in any mix. The number of electrons or ions need only represent a few percent among the gas molecules (or conductor). The flow of positive or negative charge carriers can happen simultaneously and would flow in opposite directions. (By convention, the 'current' is defined as flowing in only one direction, opposite the direction in which electrons move.) The space between stars, and even between galaxies, contains enough electrons and protons to allow the flow of plasma. The 'vacuum' of intergalactic space thus supports plasma streams billions of miles wide and light years long. These can often be be seen in X-ray imaging, connecting stars as well as galaxies. I'm investigating this matter, and have derived conclusions offered by others as well as mine own. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46675> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46675#p46675>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:42 pm My focus and premise for this topic concerns the rise of the subjective consciousness and its development and evolution that appears to me to be a modern phenomenon. Aristarchus And clearly I am saying that the proposed rise in subjective consciousness is the confused result of the actual effects of the ancient traumatic events. In addition, I do not relegate everything to "brain functioning,"... Aristarchus Epigenetic changes probably affect all DNA so that would be the heart brain and the gut brain and all body functioning. As consciousness evolves ... Aristarchus I don't think consciousness evolves at all, rather the self grows larger inducing different experiencing as a change in consciousness. It is through the loss of this self that the the natural qualities of experiencing can control action. Who is "we"? The information that I am sourcing comes from the following site: Recovering the Lost World, A Saturnian Cosmology Aristarchus We is the people that look into the Saturn System. And I have read Jno Cook and although he has some interesting ideas and having a chronology is very desirable, he has many wild ideas in my view. The views on this subject are quite diverse with some considering that there were no planetary interactions, just aurora effects, and then there is the idea of a brown dwarf entering the Solar System and splitting to produce Saturn. Good advice would be to get a selection of Talbott, Cardona, Peratt, Gilligan and Jno Cook. Of course reading Wal is mandatory. Mo moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116> *Posts:* 455 *Joined:* Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm *Location:* Adelaide * E-mail moses <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=116> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46698> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46698#p46698>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Wed Feb 02, 2011 9:34 am moses wrote:And clearly I am saying that the proposed rise in subjective consciousness is the confused result of the actual effects of the ancient traumatic events. It is not clear to me what you're asserting here. I believe using the word "confused" is rather ambiguous and doesn't explore the topic sufficiently. You need to cite a reference/references establishing a further explanation and justification of your position. As it stands now, in my understanding, is that the subjective consciousness has a very definitive psychological component. Simply put, subjective consciousness is the recognition of the self in relation to the outside environment. moses wrote:Epigenetic changes probably affect all DNA so that would be the heart brain and the gut brain and all body functioning. Indeed, sequences of DNA are switched on and off as introns play a vital role as a species interacts with its environment. The DNA situation does not remain static. My premise asserts that with 97-98 percent of DNA being considered junk DNA, since this large percent cannot be construed as playing any current role in the development of the individual, the process is evolving, as can be observed through the study of the rise of the human species. This also leads me to consider that with the observation that the electromagnetic dynamic of the Earth were once much stronger in the ancient world as opposed to our current modern times, that we need, too, consider the role it plays with interacting with the physical processes of DNA and the concept of the mind's understanding and relation to its environment. moses wrote:I don't think consciousness evolves at all, rather the self grows larger inducing different experiencing as a change in consciousness. I disagree. There are three distinct terms: preconsciousness, consciousness, and subjective consciousness. Consciousness as two distinct identifications: one physical, the other psychological. Subjective consciousness is a higher evolving mechanism from preconsciousness. Simple mechanics of merely surviving are overruled in favor of developing our relation with the self and others, thus, the concept of asceticism becomes a powerful influencing factor, as also the principle of self sacrifice. moses wrote:It is through the loss of this self that the the natural qualities of experiencing can control action. As I stated on previous threads on this forum, I believe that the loss of self is one that is obtained through practice, and awarded only to the highly adept at his/her choosing of surrendering. Otherwise, the concept of developing the self is the rule for beginners and intermediate practitioners, even though this involves meditating first with the exercise of controlling our thoughts and then further exploration through emptying our thoughts. Therefore, the pursuit is centered on the individual, because the collective consciousness might be corrupted on the lower levels, even that of the astral plane, since it involves a collection of individuals that lack enlightenment. The bodhisattva returns to the lower levels, making the conscious choice to share his knowledge to others that are willing and ready to learn the process, but this does not involve skipping steps of that process. moses wrote:I have read Jno Cook and although he has some interesting ideas and having a chronology is very desirable, he has many wild ideas in my view. The views on this subject are quite diverse with some considering that there were no planetary interactions, just aurora effects, and then there is the idea of a brown dwarf entering the Solar System and splitting to produce Saturn. "Wild ideas" is subjective and does not pertain to any particulars. In addition, I haven't delved into the specifics of Cook's work as mentioned in the second part of your above quote. It appears to be negating the premise of this topic without addressing, again, the particulars. I don't believe that I stated anywhere that I was offering an entire embrace of Cook's exploration of the topic, just as Thornhill doesn't embrace all that which was posited by Velikovsky. moses wrote:Good advice would be to get a selection of Talbott, Cardona, Peratt, Gilligan and Jno Cook. Of course reading Wal is mandatory. I agree. Cross referencing materials are essential and necessary, but, I'll state again, it has to be done in the spirit of the topic before us - and the particulars and specifics need to be regarded according to the premise of the topic. Otherwise, it simply becomes an unreasonable invalidation from what our fellow posters have to offer. I believe on another topic at the NI&MI headings, it was you that questioned my the depth of reading and understanding of Jiddu Krishnamurti. It's not that I turn away from being challenged or the need to be guided to other reading materials, but it serves no purpose to divine my reading history and research into any author as a substitute for addressing my postings, topics, and responses. In essence, you're proposing that you know without knowledge, history, and observation of what I might or might not have read, merely because it doesn't comport with your understanding of the material. This is an argument of authority, not one that considers proper dialogue and discourse with one's interlocutor. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46723> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46723#p46723>by *JaJa <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6889>* » Wed Feb 02, 2011 12:14 pm http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/sd/sd1-1-02.htm MOTIONS, THE “GREAT BREATH” The appearance and disappearance of the Universe are pictured as an outbreathing and inbreathing of “the Great Breath,” which is eternal, and which, being Motion, is one of the three aspects of the Absolute — Abstract Space and Duration being the other two. When the “Great Breath” is projected, it is called the Divine Breath, and is regarded as the breathing of the Unknowable Deity — the One Existence — which breathes out a thought, as it were, which becomes the Kosmos. (See “Isis Unveiled.”) So also is it when the Divine Breath is inspired again the Universe disappears into the bosom of “the Great Mother,” who then sleeps “wrapped in her invisible robes.” Perhaps the word "breath" can be replaced by consciousness. Rather than evolve - consciousness expands and contracts in systolic and diastolic motion. Omnia in numeris sita sunt User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6889> JaJa <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6889> *Posts:* 316 *Joined:* Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:23 am * E-mail JaJa <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6889> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46737> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46737#p46737>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Wed Feb 02, 2011 4:51 pm This also leads me to consider that with the observation that the electromagnetic dynamic of the Earth were once much stronger in the ancient world as opposed to our current modern times, that we need, too, consider the role it plays with interacting with the physical processes of DNA and the concept of the mind's understanding and relation to its environment. Aristarchus Now we are right on the same page here. And the greater magnetic field might well have affected the content of consciousness. Therefore, the pursuit is centered on the individual, because the collective consciousness might be corrupted on the lower levels, even that of the astral plane, since it involves a collection of individuals that lack enlightenment. Aristarchus First I cannot agree that the object is to persue. There is a consciousness that attaches to the physical cell at conception. This consciousness has experiencing of a group consciousness. Now I am not sure that this is the collective consciousness that you refer to. You seem to have an individual as possibly producing action from some higher level, whereas the self is the collection of physical attributes as defined by me. This allows us some room for agreement, with the main difference being the use of will to attain an end. I agree. Cross referencing materials are essential and necessary, but, I'll state again, it has to be done in the spirit of the topic before us - and the particulars and specifics need to be regarded according to the premise of the topic. Otherwise, it simply becomes an unreasonable invalidation from what our fellow posters have to offer. Aristarchus Well perhaps to understand any ancient change in consciousness one needs to understand ancient planetary orbits. In essence, you're proposing that you know without knowledge, history, and observation of what I might or might not have read, merely because it doesn't comport with your understanding of the material. This is an argument of authority, not one that considers proper dialogue and discourse with one's interlocutor. Aristarchus Well I was a member of the Theosophical Society for a while, going to meetings, etc. And your ideas seem to follow these lines and J Krishnamurti conversed with untold such people and they found what he had to stay as most unpalatable. And when one reads these conversations one can see strong similarities to what you are saying, and so there is a tendency to assume things about your mind. Sorry about that. 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As I stated before, your ideas about the traumatic experiences of humankind in the ancient world, I find rather compelling and intriguing, and it gives me food for fodder. In addition, the greater magnetic field certainly is a good topic for discussion regarding it affecting consciousness. At the risk of indulging another controversial author, Joseph Farrell discusses, and I believe it is in his book Babylon Banksters, the view that temples in the ancient world acted as transmission sources that could communicate on a global scale, and I believe this was due to the greater magnetic field. I do not have the source material readily available to check my references, but I'll try to establish this more in detail and with citations later. However, I was drawn into the ideas as discussed by Jno Cook regarding the mass/wholesale extinction of species that took place 250 mya (Permian mass extinction), and it is explained by him as follows: A Saturnian Cosmology Chapter 7 We were also saved from possible obliteration during the nova event of Saturn in 4200 BC by being located below Saturn rather than in its equatorial plane. Otherwise the nova blowout might have brought humanity to an end, like a similar nova event nearly obliterated all life at the end of the Permian, 250 million years earlier, when Earth was still orbiting Saturn at its equator. At that time Earth suffered a plasma discharge at equatorial level to the shallow seas of Central Africa or the Sahara, resulting in a glacier which covered South America, North Africa, and India -- which were joined together at that time. The Genesis of Life A few billion years ago, the Earth must have been in a condition similar to what Venus experiences today -- a cooling crust, unremitting volcanism, ceaseless lightning, and a turbulent poisonous atmosphere -- conditions which grind rocks to dust and build landscapes. Add water to this mix, and couple it with extreme electrical conditions, and you have the makings for the genesis of life. This will probably happen on Venus but it will take some billions of years. These same conditions were probably what first brought complex molecules and self-replicating molecules into existence on Earth. Experiments with a reducing hydrogen atmosphere, methane, ammonia, water, and an electrical arc have produced many of the organic compounds which form the basis of life. This is, in fact, a popular high school Science Fair experiment. More complex versions of this experiment have produced the long-chained polymer molecules which are also needed and recently have generated cell-like enclosures and the basics of RNA. The probability of achieving a living replicating organism are not all that astronomically high. However, no one has had the time to run the experiments for a half billion years. But Earth did run these experiments, for nearly 4 billion years. During almost all of that time, 'life' never went very far beyond the simplest forms. The 'progress' was incredibly slow. And it occurred in two or three spurts. Most of the 4 billion year-long era is called the Precambrian and it extends over nine-tenths of the history of the Earth. Early life forms may not even have had cell walls. But after a half billion years, 3.2 billion years ago, the first cellular organisms (procaryotic cells) show up in the geological record. These are simple microscopic single-cell forms, akin to bacteria and blue-green algae. They have cell walls and a single chromosome, but no nucleus. There is also very early evidence of photosythesis pointing to the slow creation of atmospheric oxygen. [note 10] After another two billion years (at 1.6 or 1.2 billion years ago), the much larger eucaryotic cells -- cells with a nucleus and other inclusions like mitochondria -- show up. And then, near the end of the Precambrian (560 million years ago) we start to see the first multicellular soft-bodied organisms (worms and plants) -- by evidence left as impressions in mud and sediment. The explosion of life in the Cambrian, and all that followed, is but a continuation of this. However, despite the high complexity of life forms which eventually develop, it is the first forms, the simple procaryotic cells (cells without a nucleus, like bacteria), which still constitute the bulk of living tissue today. Gould has estimated that bacteria and other single cell organisms constitute 80 percent of the biomass of Earth today. The three discontinuous steps in the development of cellular complexity are approximately 650 to 700 million years apart. The geology of the Precambrian follows a similar series of geological alterations at 700 million year intervals, paralleling the development of life forms. I suspect that the cause of each of these alterations was a mass expulsion and severe plasma blast initiated by Saturn -- a nova event. Many organisms continued an existence through the Precambrian because the life forms remained below the surface of the Earth's waters. At the close of the Precambrian we see another massive destruction of the terrestrial landscape. Following this is the most impressive expansion of the complexity of life ever. It is as if species spring up out of nowhere. Some 20 phyla show up for the first time, although some date from before the Cambrian. But only half of them last through the extinctions of the following 500 million years, and no new phyla are ever established again. The genesis of life (barring the complexity of the Cambrian) may very well be a condition regularly experienced by planets throughout the Universe. The process is almost predictable. Certainly the chemistry -- methane, hydrogen, and carbon dioxide gases, water, and electrical discharges -- is common, and most of the planets that we have detected elsewhere are close enough to their star to receive heat from their primary. However, it requires plasma activity to create advanced life forms -- not a continuous flow, which will destroy all the cellular forms already in existence, but periodic bursts, short enough to allow a portion of the cells to escape complete destruction but long enough to effectively alter millions upon millions of the organic chemical structures of the remaining cells, almost all of which will die off. A few will survive, with altered forms and functions. This is what we would otherwise call the slow 'random' process of 'natural selection' -- but with a billion years of changes occurring all at once. Left to itself, random changes from chemicals, heat, and Gamma rays will never create anything beyond bacteria -- even given the span of the billions upon billions of years ascribed to the 'life' of the Universe. A single nova event at the end of the Precambrian did what the previous 4 billion years had not managed to accomplish. [note 11] The Earth today would still be largely populated by the ocean-bottom plants and animals of the Precambrian -- sponges, seaweed, worms, and trilobites -- if it had not been for the much more frequently repeating series of limited plasma discharges which started some time after the Cambrian. These were completely different from the infrequent novas; they involved attempts at charge equalization by Saturn on reaching the neighborhood of the Sun, a space that was regularly traversed by Saturn after the Cambrian. The amount of plasma flow was limited by the short time duration that Saturn was relatively close to the Sun on its path through the Solar System -- probably only a matter of months or years. I would vote for life being almost universal throughout the Galaxy. But I doubt if any of the life forms will ever get beyond the simplest organisms. It is likely that life anywhere else will never go beyond sponges and trilobites. Bear with me on this as I am seeking to compile, coordinate, and I try to make sense of this topic and make it more delineated and lucid for my understanding. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46861> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46861#p46861>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Fri Feb 04, 2011 4:26 pm Ok, I'll bear with you. Mo moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116> *Posts:* 455 *Joined:* Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm *Location:* Adelaide * E-mail moses <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=116> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p46870> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=46870#p46870>by *HelloNiceToMeetYou <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6741>* » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:04 pm I would vote for life being almost universal throughout the Galaxy. But I doubt if any of the life forms will ever get beyond the simplest organisms. It is likely that life anywhere else will never go beyond sponges and trilobites. Considering the size of the universe...... I would say events like these would happen quite frequently. Personal Opinion :lol: User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6741> HelloNiceToMeetYou <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6741> *Posts:* 51 *Joined:* Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:51 am * E-mail HelloNiceToMeetYou <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6741> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p47002> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=47002#p47002>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:27 am HelloNiceToMeetYou wrote: I would vote for life being almost universal throughout the Galaxy. But I doubt if any of the life forms will ever get beyond the simplest organisms. It is likely that life anywhere else will never go beyond sponges and trilobites. Considering the size of the universe...... I would say events like these would happen quite frequently. Personal Opinion :lol: The proposition by Cook might appear presumptuous, and, indeed, I might concede that it is, but it should reflect in the overall context of what he is trying to explain. This is why I stated the following in a previous post: Aristarchus wrote:I agree. Cross referencing materials are essential and necessary, but, I'll state again, it has to be done in the spirit of the topic before us - and the particulars and specifics need to be regarded according to the premise of the topic. The following is from the Holoscience site, explaining that the search for life must take into account how life is much more dominant to form around red dwarf stars: Other stars, other worlds, other life The Electric Universe model has almost biological overtones that favor life. In the process of growing in a galactic electromagnetic pinch, stars are prevented from becoming too massive by "budding off" other stars and gas giant planets. Some progeny remain to form binary or multiple star families. Others escape from their parent. All receive their share of energy from the galaxy. The most common stars in the galaxy are also the dimmest, the L-Type Brown Dwarfs. These stars have the "food" required for life present in their atmospheres. Such a dwarf star/gas giant may undergo a nova outburst to eject part of its core to form dense Earth-like planets and moons. If they remain close to the parent they may be enveloped within the "womb" of the stellar anode glow where it seems the principal conditions for life are present. Our search for intelligent life should therefore focus on the faintest close stars in the sky. But there is a problem in relying on radio signals because they cannot pass through the hot plasma of an anode glow. (That could account for the lack of success of SETI so far). It would limit the ability of intelligent creatures living in that environment to know anything about the wider universe since they would not see stars. There would be no incentive for space travel which, in any case, might be a problem through the anode glow region. Maybe we on Earth are almost a "one off", as Dr. Taylor says, to have survived an escape from our stellar cocoon to see the wider universe. If so, I hope we learn to use our privileged position wisely. The most disturbing idea I have left to last: the words used by ancient civilizations that are interpreted today as "the Sun" - like the Egyptian "Ra", the Greek "Helios", and the Roman "Sol" - all originally referred to the gas giant Saturn! Was that planet our primordial parent? Was Saturn until recently a much larger brown dwarf? (The apparent size and color of an electric star is an electrical phenomenon. If Jupiter's magnetosphere were lit up it would appear the size of the full Moon). Was ancient man around to see it as a sun? If not, why would anyone call a faint yellowish speck in the night sky - the Sun? Just how recently did Saturn get its icy ring? Does the discovery that the human race seems to have spread from a handful of survivors in the not so distant past have anything to do with this story? Oddly enough, an interdisciplinary approach can answer many of these questions in surprising detail. But it requires letting go of a lot of "things we know ain't so". The present model of isolated self-powered stars with a family of relatively distant planets gives infinitesimally small windows of opportunity for life to gain a foothold, let alone sustain it for millions of years. An Electric Universe where energy is available to objects throughout the entire volume of a galaxy is an infinitely better environment for life. Faint, dwarf electric stars may be crucial to a radical reassessment of the likelihood of other intelligent life in the universe. Who knows, the Cassini mission to Saturn may be a kind of homecoming? It will return some surprises. The Search for Extraterrestrial Life Companion stars and gas giants may be formed in the initial string of stellar “beads.” Or they may be “born” later from a star when electrical stresses cause the expulsion of some of its positively charged core. It is an effective way to increase surface area to relieve electrical stress. A gargantuan stellar “lightning flash,” called a nova, accompanies the birth. The result is generally a close-orbiting binary system and an “expulsion disk” – in contradistinction to an accretion disk. The new companion can be a star or a gas giant. Gas giants may also undergo the same process, albeit less violently, giving birth to their rocky moons and planets. Notably, Saturn still has an ephemeral expulsion disk. With such an unconventional scenario, where is the best place to look for extraterrestrial intelligence? The immediate answer is – not near a star like the Sun! Our situation is quite precarious – almost freakish. A small difference in Earth’s orbit or radiation from the Sun could extinguish intelligent life on this planet. Earth is highly unlikely to have supported life for hundreds of millions of years in its present situation. So SETI is mistaken to concentrate its search on Earth-like planets orbiting energetic stars like the Sun. A more helpful answer is that Earth-like planets and intelligent life are most likely to be found very close to less energetic, dim red stars. That is good news because they are the most numerous in the galaxy. It should be clear that there is no such thing as a “failed star” in an electric universe because internal nuclear energy is not the source of their radiance. It is also important to recognize that the term “dwarf” is a misnomer when applied to a dim red star. All red stars will appear much larger than the central physical body because their colour and size is largely due to a spherical anode glow at a great height above the surface. Many satellites will orbit within the glowing shell and diffuse atmosphere of a red star. That is the ideal place for life to take hold. Radiant energy falls equally over the surface of such a satellite, or planet, regardless of orbit, rotation and axial tilt. There are neither seasons nor day and night. And life-giving molecules, including water, will mist down through an atmosphere drawn from their parent star. There is a catch however for SETI enthusiasts. Intelligent beings living on a planet in this benign environment would not see a dark, star spangled heaven. If the misty atmosphere cleared sufficiently they might see a diffuse, brighter light from their primary or possibly a nearby binary partner shining through the glowing cocoon that surrounds them. If intelligent beings living on these protected planets have learned to use radio signals, we would not detect them, because the plasma of the anode glow would act as an impenetrable shield against radio signals. Nor would they be able to detect our radio signals, for the same reason. In fact, there would be nothing to suggest the existence of an immense universe beyond the plasma glow that surrounds them. There would be no reason for them to search for extraplanetary intelligence. Unless… they discovered a way to communicate over cosmic distances that does not involve radio signals. In any case, radio signals are far too slow for sensible communication over the gulf of deep space. Having intelligent civilizations electrically "quarantined" inside their stellar wombs would satisfy the so-called "Fermi paradox," which is the question, "If the universe is teeming with aliens, where is everybody?" We are the freaks who have been given the opportunity to see the immensity of the universe and to live to ask the question. Our creation myths seem to be a human memory of Earth’s expulsion from the maternal womb. Surely we should mine them for insights into the real history of the Earth and the only intelligent life we know, before letting our imagination run riot. If we appear to be alone it might simply be due to our primitive understanding of the universe, which is leading us to look in the wrong places and maybe with the wrong tools. What is being suggested on this topic and I believe to a lesser extent also by Cook, is that consciousness is evolving due to the interaction of arc-modes and other stellar traumas happening periodically throughout the development of our planet. I do not believe life on our planet it is an isolated incident as suggested by Cook, but we need to have a better understanding of the design that makes life as we know it on our planet not only possible and suitable, but how the interaction of arc modes and other catastrophic events might have led to further development of not only physical evolution, but, in my opinion, the metaphysical evolution of the mind. moses wrote:First I cannot agree that the object is to persue. There is a consciousness that attaches to the physical cell at conception. This consciousness has experiencing of a group consciousness. Now I am not sure that this is the collective consciousness that you refer to. You seem to have an individual as possibly producing action from some higher level, whereas the self is the collection of physical attributes as defined by me. This allows us some room for agreement, with the main difference being the use of will to attain an end. Yes, as a student of the hermetic system, I believe the individual can incarnate at higher levels through disciplines associated with raising one's consciousness. I also believe that these incarnations reciprocate through the process of living and dying, as we understand it. The individual can still acquire development of consciousness even as it travels the path after its physical life has been extinguished. In Theosophy, as it follows the hermetic system, the physical presence is stripped away at death, and the next level is the emotional state with all the ramifications it has built up during its physical lifetime, and as this is stripped away, the mental state of existence is left. It is through meditation that one builds up one's mental efficacy, and just as the shaman, one then prepares oneself through the journey past one's physical life. The system then goes through series of incarnations of life and death that allows for further evolution of consciousness for the individual, and the process is represented in the inhale/exhale of breath. This is what I believe, but I do not think we can go further with this exploration, for we will only fall into a pattern of contradiction. I do believe the topic of this thread is relevant according to the perception of consciousness as an inherent living system throughout the universe in the form of plasma and its manifestation in the electromagnetic dynamics. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p47025> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=47025#p47025>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Mon Feb 07, 2011 5:33 pm In Theosophy, as it follows the hermetic system, the physical presence is stripped away at death, and the next level is the emotional state with all the ramifications it has built up during its physical lifetime, and as this is stripped away, the mental state of existence is left. It is through meditation that one builds up one's mental efficacy, and just as the shaman, one then prepares oneself through the journey past one's physical life. The system then goes through series of incarnations of life and death that allows for further evolution of consciousness for the individual... Aristarchus What are the skills and qualities and properties of this mental body that is left after physical death. That is, is this mental body the same as the mental abilities of the living person. Theosophy says no. In other words there is at least a section of one's mental functioning that dies at physical death according to their theory. And this is pretty similar to the ideas of J Krishnamurti in that K has understanding as a quality of experiencing which is beyond the physical body, and therefore can survive physical death. So is this understanding there at conception, or is there a learning during life - K says there is learning that is a quality of experiencing ! So there are similarities, it just comes down to how this learning comes about. For if all one is doing is building that section of the mind that fades or drops away after physical death, then that is a waste. So it is not a matter of contradiction, but rather a careful investigation into learning. Mo moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116> *Posts:* 455 *Joined:* Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm *Location:* Adelaide * E-mail moses <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=116> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p47082> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=47082#p47082>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Tue Feb 08, 2011 1:11 pm Moses, I believe we're getting outside the subject of this topic. I am more than willing to discuss them, but isn't this discussion more suited along the lines of those at "Theosophy and Science" & "J Krishnamurti" threads? I will respond to the following: moses wrote:What are the skills and qualities and properties of this mental body that is left after physical death. That is, is this mental body the same as the mental abilities of the living person. Theosophy says no. In other words there is at least a section of one's mental functioning that dies at physical death according to their theory. And this is pretty similar to the ideas of J Krishnamurti in that K has understanding as a quality of experiencing which is beyond the physical body, and therefore can survive physical death. Theosophy states that memory is submerged through the process of reincarnating, and thus, some aspects of the evolutionary growth through the process of incarnations of an individual can be lost on the lower levels, but then can be regained on the higher levels. However, according to some of the reading that I have done regarding the hermetic system, an individual can evolve through a series of incarnations that lead to various stages and levels of enlightenment, thus retaining the higher levels in an existence incarnated in the lower. As above, so below - or - one lives on Earth as it is in Heaven - or - in the world, but not of the world. Only the truly disciplined and adept Mage can choose to experience the relinquishing of self at the higher levels. I cannot intellectualize this anymore beyond this, because it involves personal perspectives. I was hoping to deliver a more open discussion on this thread concerning how the ancient myths are a historical record as well as providing symbols that lead one to developing higher levels of consciousness - and that arc modes can provide an impetus for the evolution of consciousness. In other words, what is the motivator for the subjective consciousness from simply preconsciousness. I am still intrigued and wonder at the universe consisting of its own consciousness on the physical level, which can also tap into the higher levels of its consciousness. However, if I understand the focus and direction you have taken on this topic, it might behoove us, as someone stated on another TB forum topic to begin discussing the science of understanding consciousness from the view of someone like the biologist, Bruce Lipton. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. When my brain begins to reel from my literary labors, I make an occasional cheese dip." ~ John Kennedy Toole (A Confederacy of Dunces) User avatar <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837> *Posts:* 196 *Joined:* Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:05 am * E-mail Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=6837> Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p47101> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=47101#p47101>by *moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116>* » Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:57 pm "As above, so below" probably started in ancient Egypt when electrical events in the sky were considered to be associated with places on the ground. And planets were directly associated with pharaohs. And of course events in the sky were associated with gods, so such things became a part of religion. And as the sky changed religion changed somewhat, but still many of the old things were and are still incorporated in religions. And this is all involved in the change in consciousness, but to examine this topic fully we must not only consider the effects of the catastrophic past on consciousness, but we must also delve into what exactly is consciousness. EU is a dry and lifeless subject until one considers it's effects on humanity where the real significance of EU lies, in evidence by the existence of the "Human" and "NIMI" sections of this forum. Only the truly disciplined and adept Mage can choose to experience the relinquishing of self at the higher levels. Aristarchus Well first one must relinquish the self at the lower level in the form of early life trauma like birth and foetal experiences and conception, which is a major effect on consciousness. Having done this one is then open to a whole range of ancient experiences through ancestral links which have altered our DNA or gene expression. But you seem to be hinting at accessing previous life experiences. Am I getting warm. Mo moses <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116> *Posts:* 455 *Joined:* Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 pm *Location:* Adelaide * E-mail moses <./memberlist.php?mode=email&u=116> * Website Top <#wrap> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Re: The Evolution of the subjective consciousness <#p47214> Post <./viewtopic.php?p=47214#p47214>by *Aristarchus <./memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6837>* » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:00 am moses wrote:"As above, so below" probably started in ancient Egypt when electrical events in the sky were considered to be associated with places on the ground. And planets were directly associated with pharaohs. And of course events in the sky were associated with gods, so such things became a part of religion. And as the sky changed religion changed somewhat, but still many of the old things were and are still incorporated in religions. I've always contended that these kinds of myth symbols could be traced back to the Mystery Schools of Egypt, which probably have a further back date in the ancient world. There are those that place the occult use of as above, so below to that of Hermes Trismegistus. What I find fascinating is that how universal this concept has become, and that mere observations in nature can attest to the significance of as above, so below: Image Image More recently, we have the Mandelbrot Set. moses wrote:And this is all involved in the change in consciousness, but to examine this topic fully we must not only consider the effects of the catastrophic past on consciousness, but we must also delve into what exactly is consciousness. EU is a dry and lifeless subject until one considers it's effects on humanity where the real significance of EU lies, in evidence by the existence of the "Human" and "NIMI" sections of this forum. I believe that you were discussing how this "catastrophic past" related to a kind of post traumatic syndrome in regards to the sub consciousness, which might play a remarkable influence, I agree. What I am suggesting is that these interactions with the magnetic field and arc mode displays gave rise to a new level of consciousness, called, the subjective consciousness. I believe that there is a living consciousness to the entire universe and that it is interconnected which allows various life forms to rise and reflect on the living universe. Thus, I perceive the subjective consciousness as an awakening on this path of reflection. moses wrote:Well first one must relinquish the self at the lower level in the form of early life trauma like birth and foetal experiences and conception, which is a major effect on consciousness. Having done this one is then open to a whole range of ancient experiences through ancestral links which have altered our DNA or gene expression. I can agree as to the second part of your statement, but I view the self as having its own course of evolving, and this continues on the astral and the mental levels. I would add that one must detach from the self in order to view it from the outside and it being influenced from the distractions of our daily lives. One must quiet the mind to know thy self. "I am at this moment writing a lengthy indictment against our century. 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